Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

[dux]

It's a gun implemented by people who don't understand the game they make.

[RivFader]

It's a gun implemented by people who don't understand the game they make.

I really wonder why there is no beta client for CSGO. These changes need to be tested and pros and casuals alike should give some feedback before stuff like this is unleashed on everybody.

[dux]

The only conclusion I can muster is that the developers don't believe they need it as they seem to think that the changes they make are good and will be well received. This is evident by the R8 and recoil changes they made which just boggled everybodies mind - (which got reverted, saps your confidence in their decision making) along with many past updates that caused more problems to an already problem riddled game.

Regardless, I sympathise with them as well. Making NS2 for both a casual and competitive market highlighted the difficulties in balancing a game for both sides of the PC market. But then they are a fully fledged AAA developer with a limitless supply of money and talent (we weren't), they should really know better. Sometimes I wonder how some of their decisions get made. CS is huge, you just can't drop in updates like that.

[laminutederire]

They are a bit silent on the updates everyone wants though!

[dux]

When it comes down to it, it's updates that they believe in that come first and not always those of what the community want. "Everybody" isn't really a convincing argument to get them to implement or fix something in the game 90% of the time. Developers don't play their games, especially not highly competitive ones like CS GO (Because they're usually busy making the game. But of course it is good when they do) so something as glaringly bad as the R8 for example won't be apparent to them until the community as a whole backlashes. That was certainly an "everybody" moment, though and I'm glad they listened (though it doesn't quite make up for what they were smoking to begin with). My thinking is they saw the R8 as a fun balls about gun for the casual side of the game. For people who can't/don't want to master the Deagle and never stopped to think how good and pro level players would be able to abuse it.

[jackophant]

...never stopped to think how good and pro level players would be able to abuse it.

But it wasn't at the high levels, it was like they just introduced instagib into CSGO. It must have been so obviously broken, I don't understand how it got through, not to mention how badly implemented it was. Second time in a row they ballsed up an Armour Penetration value (first was same time as m4a1-s had rate of fire reduced) as it was meant to be as high as the awp but was "only" as high as the deagle. And let's not forget all the firing bugs it had letting people run around with a fully charged shot indefinitely with ridiculous accuracy.

[clankill3r]

The older I get the less I like valve. Sure their one of the best companies but maybe that tells more about the industry. I really like they dont work with deadlines and release whenever they want. I like they dont have share holders, and they have no marketing people. But hammer bugs from more then 10 year old still aren't fixed. TF2 has some serious exploits and bugs and balancing really OP weapons out takes them always a few months. They never have understand how cool day of defeat was so they totally raped the game with dod source. And when the steam controller has problems they give you every game you allready own to make up for it...

[dux]

But it wasn't at the high levels, it was like they just introduced instagib into CSGO. It must have been so obviously broken, I don't understand how it got through, not to mention how badly implemented it was. Second time in a row they ballsed up an Armour Penetration value (first was same time as m4a1-s had rate of fire reduced) as it was meant to be as high as the awp but was "only" as high as the deagle. And let's not forget all the firing bugs it had letting people run around with a fully charged shot indefinitely with ridiculous accuracy.

I imagine when (if) it got tested no one could hit their shots so didn't think it was broken. And when they did it was probably with the last bullet so considered it "fair". That's the only thing I can think of.

[RivFader]

I think ultimately Valve needs to reconsider their public policies a bit. We don't need infos about release dates for every game they develop or this crazy PR bs that most modern publishers pull, but stuff like fixing the places where bombs get stuck (which literally every reddit user can find and share within half an hour) , obvious issues with understanding the public perception of some of their changes, etc. make it apparent that they need to talk to their community.

 

Imho a good move would be the establishment of community managers that are either directly from Valve or just popular figures within their respective games that have some technical insight or dev. experience as well (thinking 3kliksphilips for CSGO, for example).

[Vorontsov]

@dux @jackophant

Fun fact, the R8 was supposed to be shipped with an even higher armor penetration at first, they messed up the values a slight bit so the armor penetration that was shipped was slightly lower than intended. That right there tells you how fucked up this implementation was.

[clankill3r]

I wonder what the ranks of the developers are. Also I really think the R8 could use a buff atm. It's nerfed to hard in my opinion, I think the delay could be a bit decreased to it's old value or something in between.

[RivFader]

I wonder what the ranks of the developers are. Also I really think the R8 could use a buff atm. It's nerfed to hard in my opinion, I think the delay could be a bit decreased to it's old value or something in between.

I would love to get some insight into that as well. Iirc, Spunj (a CSGO pro currently signed for Renegades) mentioned that there is a Skype/FB/whatever group where devs and pros discuss changes to the game when the Revolver was introduced. Apparently Valve devs genuinely thought about implementing a net thrower or something similar to CS, so people could literally stun other players for seconds. I don't even want to imagine the outrage if they actually put that into the game in the future....

Also: I think the Revolver's place in the loadout should be given more thoughts as well. is it really wise to replace it with the Deagle? Maybe it is time to add a new loadout slot for pistols?

Edited February 11, 2016 by RivFader
Added a link.

[dux]

Pistols in CS GO are flat out ridiculous as it is anyway.

Back in the good old 1.6 days (and before, I just use 1.6 because) it was Deagle or nothing. Now it's rek9/5seven armour roll the opposing teams rifles. Running 1 bullet headshots even against head armour while spamming mouse one you say?

[Beck]

Pistols in CS GO are flat out ridiculous as it is anyway.

Back in the good old 1.6 days (and before, I just use 1.6 because) it was Deagle or nothing. Now it's rek9/5seven armour roll the opposing teams rifles. Running 1 bullet headshots even against head armour while spamming mouse one you say?

I do miss the old days.

But I agree with what was said above. It would be awesome for someone on the CSGO team to be sort of a "community manager" as well. 

[Vaya]

tec9 is so shit it's unreal. tec9/armor trains have basically the same power as an SMG buy.