Prometheus

[Erratic]

The opening was great. Score was great. Rapace and Fassbender were great. Thing is it feels like 40 minutes are missing from this fucking thing. If there isn't a directors cut in the future I'll eat my hat.

[PogoP]

Check this out guys. I thought that the Engineers were CGI, but it turns out they were completely prosthetic:

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/2118

[Psy]

Thoroughly enjoyed this film even if it did leave a lot of questions open. Wasn't too sure about the scene at the very end. It felt like the writers were like, "Shit. We need to tie this directly into Alien somehow."

Anyway, my favourite things:

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  [*:2jcwl4vq] The Visuals - Everything had a very realistic quality, everything seemed believable. It makes a nice change from every other movie which overuses CGI effects to the point of making everything seem false.
  [*:2jcwl4vq] That

caesarean section

scene. Jesus.
[*:2jcwl4vq] Michael Fassbender's performance.
[*:2jcwl4vq] When

they're all caught outside in the storm and David has to rescue them, I noticed how his body is completely rigid whilst the other two are flailing about in the wind.

Thought it was a nice detail.

[Seldoon182]

Prometheus on doom3

[Sprony]

Prometheus in a nutshell. Read it here. Spoiler heavy!

[Psy]

RedLetterMedia (Mr.Plinkett et al) on Prometheus.

[Youme]

Just saw it a second time with my dad for fathers day (yay) and a whole lot more made sense the second time around, turns out there's pretty much nothing the internet is complaining about that isn't clear.

Fifield and the biologist reaaallly don't change character at all like everyone is complaining about. Fifield is always a pussy, he still got lost even though HE made the map but I can easily attribute that to the state of panic he was in. The biologist is quite understandably more ok with a small snake thing that a huge dead person shaped thing (presumably he also knows if they run from the living biology, it may well chase them, so attempts to make nice with it).

The whole vikers as weyland's daughter gives the whole trio (inc. david) a whole load more reason, she's a bitch because weyland loves david and ignores her, weyland's character is instantly deamonized as we realise he's shunned his daughter in favour of a robot (understandable) and David suddenly has the parallel between him and his "sister" both wanting their parent dead.

Lots of people complained about Janek's sudden "it's all weapons" spiel and shaw changing her actions based on it, but she said the engineers weren't what they thought they were and that they had to leave before Janek says anything to her, so that whole issue is removed, she'd already made up her mind.

Another criticism is the two co-pilots give up their lives without anyone explaining to them the stakes, however it's not hard to assume Janek filled them in after talking with Shaw, and then they already know their options are explode in taking down the engineer ship, or suffer two years in the crashed lifeboat with vickers-bitch-face before starving to death or suffocating. NOT a hard choice!

Then there's the "Why do they want to kill us" question, it's pretty clear from the start that the invitation isn't "Hey come party with us" it's actually "Hey, come worship us". and when they get there, even if the engineers hadn't already decided to go kill humanity that the first contact scene soon changed that. The Engineer gets out of his pod and looks at the ensemble in front of him, he then bows down and waits for them to do the same. None of them do. Not until one of the lackies hits Shaw in the stomach does anyone drop to their knees. (Comments about her running around fine with a stomach full of staples are also BS as she'd falling all over the place). The engineer then rises and david tells them why they're there "We're greedy little humans that want to serve ourselves only and live forever" totally at odds to the way of life of the engineer (a life of self sacrifice) and then he kills them all. When he sees Shaw running he chooses not to pursue, presumably because she alone had the respect to bow when he did.

I can't reconcile what was going through David's mind as he poisoned holloway, but I can at least see it as an act well within David's character, he's a tinkerer. He touches and plays with everything he can to understand it. I can set aside my confusion because I know that David read the text on the door to the vase chamber, so I can believe (quite within reason too) that he understands the purpose of the vases and the black goo without telling anyone.

Most of Redlettermedia's questions are either asinine (Why do some Earth lifeforms not share DNA with us, weeeell pretty much everything shares some level of genetic code with us), answered by stringing a few slightly subtle things together or just answerable with "Eh sometimes movies are dumb" (like running in a straight line instead of sideways).

[Puddy]

Fifield and the biologist reaaallly don't change character at all like everyone is complaining about. Fifield is always a pussy, he still got lost even though HE made the map but I can easily attribute that to the state of panic he was in. The biologist is quite understandably more ok with a small snake thing that a huge dead person shaped thing (presumably he also knows if they run from the living biology, it may well chase them, so attempts to make nice with it).

I partially agree. Anyone can get spooked by huge, twisted and decaying beings. But getting lost and getting all social with those creatures just felt a bit odd.

The whole vikers as weyland's daughter gives the whole trio (inc. david) a whole load more reason, she's a bitch because weyland loves david and ignores her, weyland's character is instantly deamonized as we realise he's shunned his daughter in favour of a robot (understandable) and David suddenly has the parallel between him and his "sister" both wanting their parent dead.

It wasn't so much that she was his daughter but the way it was revealed; I felt really bad when she uttered that f word.

Lots of people complained about Janek's sudden "it's all weapons" spiel and shaw changing her actions based on it, but she said the engineers weren't what they thought they were and that they had to leave before Janek says anything to her, so that whole issue is removed, she'd already made up her mind.

For me, that comment seemed to be a way for the writers to get everyone, including dimwitted yanks ( ), aboard the plot-train. You knew it was a weapons/general evilness facility and Janek had to yell that at viewers who weren't paying attention. But I have no problem with him drawing that conclusion. He saw what the crew saw via live-feed and it was pretty obvious for anyone to know what kind of place it was.

Another criticism is the two co-pilots give up their lives without anyone explaining to them the stakes, however it's not hard to assume Janek filled them in after talking with Shaw, and then they already know their options are explode in taking down the engineer ship, or suffer two years in the crashed lifeboat with vickers-bitch-face before starving to death or suffocating. NOT a hard choice!

It's never shown or indicated and even if they had discussed it, you'd probably not accept that fate as readily.

Then there's the "Why do they want to kill us" question, it's pretty clear from the start that the invitation isn't "Hey come party with us" it's actually "Hey, come worship us". and when they get there, even if the engineers hadn't already decided to go kill humanity that the first contact scene soon changed that. The Engineer gets out of his pod and looks at the ensemble in front of him, he then bows down and waits for them to do the same. None of them do. Not until one of the lackies hits Shaw in the stomach does anyone drop to their knees. (Comments about her running around fine with a stomach full of staples are also BS as she'd falling all over the place). The engineer then rises and david tells them why they're there "We're greedy little humans that want to serve ourselves only and live forever" totally at odds to the way of life of the engineer (a life of self sacrifice) and then he kills them all. When he sees Shaw running he chooses not to pursue, presumably because she alone had the respect to bow when he did.

Come worship us at our weapons facility?

A few things are really good in this movie. The dialogue with the engineer and the surgery scene are among them. If you want to go all-in conspiracy theory, David programmed the star map in the pilot room to earth and provoked the engineer to bring doom to us.

I can't reconcile what was going through David's mind as he poisoned holloway, but I can at least see it as an act well within David's character, he's a tinkerer. He touches and plays with everything he can to understand it. I can set aside my confusion because I know that David read the text on the door to the vase chamber, so I can believe (quite within reason too) that he understands the purpose of the vases and the black goo without telling anyone.

I didn't have any problems with the posioning; it is something David could do imho. Perhaps some emotions are dawning within David and since Holloway was a total dick earlier, this came as a weird form of "revenge". And, as you say, David is curious and probably does not see morality in the same light as us humans. He was a kid with a new toy and wanted to play with it, basically.

Most of Redlettermedia's questions are either asinine (Why do some Earth lifeforms not share DNA with us, weeeell pretty much everything shares some level of genetic code with us), answered by stringing a few slightly subtle things together or just answerable with "Eh sometimes movies are dumb" (like running in a straight line instead of sideways).

While I agree some questions are really dumb, most of them have a point.

[Izuno]

Crap...I still haven't seen it yet. Been busy. Wife has zero interest. Guess I'll have to figure out a way...

[Minos]

Saw it yesterday in IMax 3D, really liked it. Of course it's not a perfect movie but was pretty enjoyable all the way through.

Overall one of the best sci-fi flicks in recent years imo. 8.5/10

[PhilipK]

Finally saw it as well. Really enjoyed it too.

Hadn't watched any trailers and didn't read anything about it, and it feels like that was a good starting point.

Feels like you either hate or really enjoy this one. No in-between. But then again, seems like more people who didn't get absolutely obsessed with it before it was out are the people who can enjoy it

A lot of people talk about how shallow and non-existent the character build up is in this movie and then reference Alien as it would have had the opposite.. Has that really ever been something strong in any of the Alien movies tbh?

Has a lot of other qualities but that is definitely not one of them IMO

[Sprony]

In Alien Brett and Parker have a very convincing relationship. It's clear they are there for the money, just two blue collar guys. Dallas is a real leader and Ripley the heroine to be. Ash and Lambert are convincing as well. Aliens is filled with memorable and even legendary characters. Who doesn't remember Hudson, Hicks, Vasquez, Bishop and Burke? So yeah, that has definitely been a strong point in the first two movies.

[PhilipK]

Definitely don't agree with that

[PogoP]

In Alien Brett and Parker have a very convincing relationship. It's clear they are there for the money, just two blue collar guys. Dallas is a real leader and Ripley the heroine to be. Ash and Lambert are convincing as well. Aliens is filled with memorable and even legendary characters. Who doesn't remember Hudson, Hicks, Vasquez, Bishop and Burke? So yeah, that has definitely been a strong point in the first two movies.

Totally agree. The characters in Alien/Aliens were a lot more memorable than any of the characters in Prometheus. For a lot of the film, I actually didn't know anybody's names :S

[Grinwhrl]

Aliens by far has the most in-depth characters, but you all have to remember that we were all imbedded with those characters through commercials, toys, games, comics, cards, museums, theme parks, and of course tons of advertisements. Aliens was a phenomenon at its time and us kids at that time got tons of marketing from it growing up. Ill still remember the majority of characters from all of the films, Aliens being the most concrete.