Logic

Thanks to your suggestions I made some modifications to the layout.
The T-Drop has been completely, removed. the Connection between Court and B-Main has now ben moved further towards main, which should also reduce the rotations times from B over Mid to A the whole lower part of the Map has been shrinked to reduce Timings of the Ts aswell as the exaggerated rotation time when taling the (senseless) path over T-Spawn Th Garden Area has been simplified All non walkable areas are now shown in the map and the direction of raising stairs are indicated by arrows for easier understanding of the layout.

What else can be done to improve the layout?
Thank you all again very much!
 

Thanks alot guys!
I made a small-ish update to fix some things and add 10 more spawns so its eligible for play testing:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=585501542
(For some reason i had huge problems updating this time around. Kept getting error 16 or 10. )

Placeholder-ish sign at mid. Its that fine line between making sense in the context of the player navigating the map and real world believeability

Entrance to the Cage sniper spot. Again trying to reinforce that trespass-feeling (yes i know some of the bricks are mapped wrong but im still just establishing ideas). I blocked off the low opening into the main are to give more emphasis on the upper positioning. I also allowed getting into the cage from lowground by jumping the boxes. Before you needed a boost. (i now added a post possibility at A entrance).
Btw the sniper spot may be a little too OP since you can stand more safely on the ramp and shoot over, but i think this just encourages CTs to sneak into the site and contest through the grate in the cage floor.

Some more coloring and detail. Ive lowered in ceiling in the orange section to make it seem like a "finished section" in contrast to the blue T area. Ive managed to keep to higher opening over the door for grenade options. I also really need to replace that ugly placeholder box in the hallway. I tried using a vending machine prop but they are just too small.
Don't hesitate to give more comments and feedback. Ill look into play testing whenever possible.
 

Hello everyone! This will be my first time posting a topic on Mapcore, and I'm excited because of all the great people that are on this site. Everyone is so heavily involved in their projects, and they release content that blows me away, especially the visuals. While I've done CS:GO mapping in the past, this has been my first crack at designing and creating a competitive CS:GO level from start to finish. After about 6-7 months of work, I'd say I'm happy with the results.
So, here it is!:  de_foray

The Phoenix have once again broken into another compound. Little do they know that this was one of our own...

 
Here's the workshop link for those that are interested: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=637321196
 
Feedback is greatly appreciated, and thank you all again!

I totally agree with this, the gargoyles would bring the church to the next level in terms of small detail, however would be pretty time consuming.
When I remake the church, again (going to work on it diagonally this time, instead of making the whole thing then rotating it creating horrible brush intersections everywhere), Ill set out with including a giant window on the front, steering towards a more arched design, like this one:
Thanks for your ideas! As for time, finishing this map is still quite a way yet

I have made some more changes following some play-testing with friends. Map is generally more open than before with a less cluttered feel. I have some big plans for improvements and visuals which I hope to how soon. Still appreciate some feedback!
New Radar:
Images: 

New Update!
Still very WIP. Mostly worked on balancing the map and opening everything up a lot more. I have also simplified a lot of areas that were too complicated before. Have a long list of fixes still to make but here is a start. Some major nodraw errors and missed clipping.
Would really like some feedback, workshop link is up to date in OP.
Lots of Images and text inside:
Still on my to fix list (a lot):

Thanks a bunch jakuza - it works now!
Update!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=585501542



Apologies for the lack of updates, but I have one now with some tweaks and more colors. I also shamelessly used some of the amazing CS_agency textures and props (by Rick_D) to spruce up the map. Ill still play around with textures and find the right balance and hopefully have time to fill out with more of my own custom stuff.
Im still not completely sure on the right way to get more color into the map but my plan atm is that 'orange' is outside and immediately visible to T, while blue is inside and represents the CT area. I want to play up the feeling that each team "belongs" in certain parts of the map.
Also added more breakable glass - some places are still a bit ambiguous whether the glass should be breakable or not.
I added glass that must be broken to enter the long A flank from T side - this is still just a test to see if its cool or not, but i like that a single T can "fake" going long by breaking the glass and then go short. It also plays up the idea of raiding the building. However, this might constrict bots from entering - any insight about that and how this interacts with navigation ?
Any comments on gameplay, layout and the spaces in general are greatly appreciated ! =)
 

I wanted the same thing with my map. I knew a few routes that was far too complex (*hint*), but playtested anyways.
People will complain about it and they should. I think it's better to test once you have ironed out all of the problems that you know about, so that the playtest be used to find the real faults instead.
It's fine if you still wan't to test it, but know that people might focus their feedback on the confusing layout more than the map itself, if that makes any sense, dunno, I'm tired, need coffee...

Thanks nikko glad to hear that people are recognizing and loving the HL/OpFor nostalgic vibes on the fly.
I'm trying my best to be faithful to that theme without sacrificing CSGO core gameplay; it's a bit of a trade-off.
Thank you

What do you think?

You can use cl_leveloverview to take better overview screenshots. Just a tip 

I wanted the same thing with my map. I knew a few routes that was far too complex (*hint*), but playtested anyways.
People will complain about it and they should. I think it's better to test once you have ironed out all of the problems that you know about, so that the playtest be used to find the real faults instead.
It's fine if you still wan't to test it, but know that people might focus their feedback on the confusing layout more than the map itself, if that makes any sense, dunno, I'm tired, need coffee...

You can use cl_leveloverview to take better overview screenshots. Just a tip 

I've seen a video of nasa testing a combustion engine... the flame went on a few meters, that could be cool to see in a map

I looked at it and really liked the aesthetic of landwalks going back and forth, up and down. When I saw the images from Source @sprony posted I realised that they for some reason were so much easier to read and I figured that might be because all the edges in the Source version has a texture with a lighter contrast.

So if I were you I'd make sure to give them a little color tint or contrast in comparison to the other wall texture the edges connect with.  I made a very quick and dirty paintover just to clarify what I mean.

Paint-over:


Original:

It's time for a greybox. Basic feedback might be possible by looking at the radar, but for anything else it's not really good anymore. Just do it!

Version C13
Overview:

Screenshots:

Full Album: DE_STUPA_C13
This is just a repeat of the OP update.

I believe that's only for Valve-sponsored events.

IEM Katowice starts today. First games in about 1 hour 20 from this post. Fnatic vs NaVi which should be a good match to kick off with!
http://www.hltv.org/news/17223-iem-katowice-viewers-guide
No pick 'em challenge this time around?

Crazy how much CC changes things as well

Just some screens of the new update

Got promoted to Senior LD last week, woot!

Have to agree with Fredrik, the layout looks super complicated and overdone from the radar picture. Simplify it and make it more accessible.

I ran around the map and I liked the feel of it, with the train track running along the map. But theres just so many paths. I don't think it will work well in a 5v5 situation. I really recommend simplifying the layout and decrease the amount of paths.
 
I made a quick picture to show what I mean with simplifying and removing paths.
I hope this feedback will help, Keep it up!