Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

[Vaya]

Shit is elaborate. could be made into a hollywood movie trilogy.

[jackophant]

@Vaya I was thinking more of a 4 part documentary on Discovery. Could show right after the millionth showing of raising the concordia.

I would never DL an anti-cheat client from anyone other than the big leagues around, but I would much rather they operate like faceit where it's dealt with server side. It's archaic having to keep your own 3rd-party anti-cheat up to date, and look at all the shit ESEA have been up to with them, and they're meant to be legit.

I rarely even click on links from well known friends on steam incase their account has been compromised (I usually google for it myself to find what it was they were talking about). I've also got steam guard enabled via the steam app, and 2 stage verification on the email address I use, as well as totally different passwords for both steam and email.

COME AT ME BROS

[Pampers]

I think anyone here that have played with me have witnessed that I am absolute garbage at this game But! I caved in and payed to participate in the newest operation, which forced me to play on other maps besides d2 and inferno. It really helped me improve and I went from 'Gold Nova II' to 'DMG'. Still can't spray for shit, but overall I'm enjoying this game a lot more now

[blackdog]

Isn't not spraying the heart and soul of this game? :?

[ShockaPop]

Isn't not spraying the heart and soul of this game?

Maybe in earlier CS, but in CSGO, you better learn to spray 'cuz one-tapping will get you fucked sideways with 64tick and overall hitreg probz.

[DooM]

Maybe in earlier CS, but in CSGO, you better learn to spray 'cuz one-tapping will get you fucked sideways with 64tick and overall hitreg probz.

I think spraying is more prominent now due to the movement changes that occurred making one tapping an inferior style to the "spraying" style. The movement changes meant that you couldn't "ADAD" as quickly thus meaning you'd become an easy target it you were one tapping due to waiting for the recoil to reset. Just look at how Scream had to adapt his play-style due to the changes, watch a fragmovie from around 2013 when he was playing for VeryGames and you can see his movement is amazing, causing the opponent to constantly re-aim thus making him very hard to hit. (link to the fragmovie)

Shroud showed in this clip that spraying can be very effective at dealing with many opponents coming from many angles.

[laminutederire]

@Pampers don't say that, there are people here who litteraly started playing competitive and are still in silver class, and we feel really like we suck so hard if you suck!

[jackophant]

tapping is still legitimate, and spraying is only effective if you have control of the recoil. However it's when you choose to tap and spray that makes the real difference, but most people still think an enemy 100m away behind a chest height box is an acceptable situation to spray in.

Due to the built in variance of bullet placement (spread), you could have aimbot level spray control and still only hit a couple of shots at great range.

I'm really not impressed by that shroud video. Looked like total lack of control, and the five-seven at the end? Would look at home in a silver game the way the T's fumbled that site entry. They were 5v1 and with bomb, as soon as they realised where shroud was, they should've taken B. the awper with like 1hp runs into a crossfire, the guy blocking his teammate in the doorway DUCKING no less.

Call me cynical, but I think very few frag videos show skill more than a total fumble from the opposing team (ie: 1v1v1v1v1v1 situation).

[blackdog]

Just old timer whining here… spraying started to be necessary already late in the CSS cycle, I remember after I abandoned because of hit boxes/netcode never fixed, friend who was playing competitive told me so.

It is so shit really, I find it very inelegant. Probably that's why I couldn't adapt to GO, although I wasn't able to play as much as I wanted. Now that I have a computer the Internet is shit…

[DrywallDreams]

Well, seems like people finally figured out that hitboxes are bad because they just don't sync right with animations on the server.  Hopefully Valve will get that fixed soon.

[jackophant]

i didn't ever play any meaningful amount of 1.6, but i get the impression that the hitboxes back then were "perfect", and games like tribes (fml i love that game, so sad it died...) which are MUCH faster paced were able to register hits fantastically well. Maybe they were simpler times, but I reckon valve haven't been too bothered by it as the real money is in LAN events where this isn't such an issue.

And seriously, can we fucking remove the swedish servers from mm? Just like UK servers were a pile of wank for the greater EU population, Swedish servers are terrible to play on for the same reason. It just exacerbates an already patchy hitreg problem.

[Pampers]

b..but I have 5 ping on the swedish servers

Anyway, no fast paced online game have ever had perfect netcode no matter how much you look at it with rose tinted nostalgia glasses And even if it did, there are too many uncontrollable variables that come into play, like distance to server, connection quality and speed is unique for everyone connected to the server. You never know when your sister is going to boot up Kaaza to get that latest Backstreet Boys single. Also, everything happening on your client isn't sent back to the server, so what you see isn't always perceived the same way by the server. Making people go MUH HITBUXIS!1 NETCODZ

[jackophant]

From the UK I get a ping of about 60+ to swedish servers, and all the Swedes get sub 10 pings. I didn't even get sub 10 ping on UK servers. I'm not even complaining specifically about hitboxes, but when someone is getting 5 shots off on me when I've literally just watched them peak, I have every right to complain.

I wish mm used a veto system like faceit (or a system that picks a server so all 10 people have a ping within a 20ms range or something), rather than just auto-assigning us a server based on whatever valve do atm. on faceit I immediately veto the worst pings for the party, and assuming the enemy team do the same, we are left with a server where we should all have an acceptable, almost balanced ping to.

And while I'm sitting here bitching, I think the ranks need a reshuffle. I don't want to pretend to know how players are distributed, but I've seen a lot of my friends fly up the ranks recently, and play at a level which they aren't ready for. The variance in matches is mind boggling, 1 game I'm shitting all over LEMs, the next game we get steam rolled by LEMs. The ranking system should be in place to try and avoid this and have matches with more predictable outcomes, it's a complete lottery atm. But I'm sure valve will realise this from their own stat tracking, it's just what will they do about it...

[Vaya]

Accurate?

 

--

in regards to ranks I couldn't agree more. The learning curve for moving up seems to have been totally destroyed..

Reminds me of ESEA sometimes where you have 1 player outright carrying a team of worse players.

[Pampers]

From the UK I get a ping of about 60+ to swedish servers, and all the Swedes get sub 10 pings. I didn't even get sub 10 ping on UK servers. I'm not even complaining specifically about hitboxes, but when someone is getting 5 shots off on me when I've literally just watched them peak, I have every right to complain.

Yus, more geographically spread server is really needed. Especially for eastern europe. So sick and tired of getting some dude who knows 3 sentences: Fack your mather!, Ah my ghad! and Gif me awp!

With regards to the ranks, I haven't experienced the same. I have more tied matches than wins or losses lately, and those that aren't are usually lost/won by one or two round. Then again I'm lower rank, so probably a much larger pool of people to matchmake with

 

edit: you can set max ping in the settings for the matchmaking procedure ^^

Edited July 20, 2015 by Pampers