dm_resistance and a new user looking for help

[RD]

I dont care at all, cuz its completely diffrent. But i understand the problem, what would u think if they released hl2 using maps from quake

[Linga]

they released deathmatch classic =P

i don't want to argue with you guys but this brings me down really. i'm thinking about contacting the blood devs but i think thats really senseless and insane

[Kamikazi!]

a remake isn't a copy

why don't you think about my example?

-> http://www.google.com/search?q=californ ... 8&oe=utf-8

Laws for game copywrights and music aren't the same.

[kleinluka]

btw@ kleinluka concerning your post and person:

if this would be true it would be also illegal to take a picture from a building and making a original texture out of it because you aren't the architect of the building, etc.

i would like to hear some opinions from guys wich know what they are talking about in this situation.

First of all theres no need to be rude about it.

Second, taking somebodies design is copying. Even if you put a ton more details in and its based on a game that came out years ago, it's still the original layout. I don't know if you have changed they layout, or by how much, but if all you did was take the layout and make it look pretty, then yeah... I don't think thats Valve's understanding of "original".

I don't know how you can compare this to taking a picture of a building but ok.

And by the way I think the map looks brilliant, it's one of the best Source maps I have seen so far. So don't get the wrong impression that I'm trying to whack the bitch hammer on you. I'm just giving you some answers.

[Linga]

I only found this one here but it says nothing:

For copyright purposes, a new work based upon an original work to which enough original creative work has been added so that the new work represents an original work of authorship. Examples of derivative works include a translation of a book into another language, a jazz version of a popular tune and a movie based on a play.

source: http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter

@kleinluka: sorry for that, i don't wanted to be rude. especially not to you. i don't know if you know where i'am from. it's linga from thewall.de ^^

the problem isn't that i won't accept your idea of copyrights. i share it. but in this case the law isn't that clear and i tought this will never be a problem.

i saw it from an other direction. i havn't tought about selling this map as a product with giving it to a contest where you probably can win money for your work. my mistake. shame on me.

but i think the main question atm is: is my interpretation of this blood map a 'bad' copy or not and will i get disqualified from the contest or not.

i'm thinking about asking the autor of the original map for his approval as a last chance but i don't know where to find this guy =P

[von*ferret]

Valve will not risk it. I hope you did deviate enough that they wont notice. Either way you have a solid product and even if it doesn't win, you stilll should be proud of the work you've achieved. So pat yourself on the back, relax, and have fun

[Linga]

thx ferret i think you all can understand my anger. sorry for this.

do you remember my dumb email regards this lightbeams in dm_rebar? and look what i have done with your help

your absolutely right. i go to bed now and i hope i will dream of doing the next contest a better way =P

[Duff-e]

you just should have said absolutely nothing about it being a remake.....people here have big mouths

[D3adlode]

Layout may be the same but look at the difference between the map for crying out loud, no one would notice or really give a flying shit.. Hell, how many of you would actually notice if he hadn't said anything? None of you..

[kleinluka]

Agreed with Ferret. They might not notice, until they see this thread

Oh and I know you're Linga from thewall moin!

[Dag]

In the rules, they weren't very specific about what does and does not constitute "original" work. At all.

Here's hoping that they just meant no work borrowed from other VMFs.

[DanielAragon]

just dont say anything about it being "a remake" they wont suspect

[JAL]

darn that source lighting is so sexy

[Linga]

Thats not the matter. If it isn't legal to enter with this and Valve doesn't recognize I will get in trouble because Monolith (developer of blood) got the copyright.

I've just left the lead level designer of blood a mail. i hope he will agree with this but i think he can't. i don't know :-?

[Pericolos0]

is it a symmetric map?

if not, just mirror it lol

Its amazing how different a map is when its mirrored, although the gameplay stays exactly thesame