Kosmo

Ooooh, so you think that extremism is the same as terrorism, oh ok, that makes it all fine :roll: You can continue to live in your fantasy land where it is completely not racist to say that and Besides when you make comments like this It doesn't make you sound like a person that is educated enough to say if he is racist or not. Face it, you have a problem against Muslims, so does thousands of others at times like this. Your copy and paste isnt working? Come on, dont give me these weak excuses. Quote my racist remarks. Oh I'll quote your attitude, maybe while I'm at it make a copy of your avatar and see if that makes a clone of you, maybe if I erase your name on my computer you will change your name. Well, maybe you can proof me that all the suicide bombers have spent their lifes worshipping Allah then. And it was you who said anything about CIA conspiracy, not me

You called me a racist, so answer this one. Sorry but when a guy says "Suicide attacks come with extreme Islam" just sounds that you don't know jack about anything. It's like saying "Violence comes with videogame addiction" or "All who use drugs lose their jobs and do badly in their life overall". But you are entitled to your racist remarks. The truth isnt arrogant. You called me a racist, then quote my racist remarks. There are none, so the only logical conclusion is you had an emotional outburst. You are free to prove me wrong by quoting my racism. I would quote your attitude towards Muslims right here, but copy paste doesn't copy it. Ok, so prove me that you AREN'T a racist, if you are so tolerant there must be something to prove it. What is your opinion about Middle-East and Islam? Again, blinded by your emotions you imagine things i never wrote. Quote me. Quote me, quote me, quote me, the fact that "quote me" is your only defence only proves that you noticed it your self too, it's nothing to be ashamed, I hate all religions and I think that people believing in them are misguided and wrong. Completely distorted the timeline here, but your point being? Tell me more about your distorted timeline? So what you are saying is, as soon as a muslim commits a crime he cant be a muslim? Does extreme Islam even exist to you? Who will solve the problem of extremism in the Middle East when muslims feel it has nothing to do with them, their religion or their culture? The logical answer is that the USA will have to deal with it themselves in any way they please. Its happening. And how are you so sure that extreme Islam is so perfect that it has no influence over terrorists? Dont ignore this question like you have ignored all before, answer it. Why did they spend their lifes in mosques, carry Korans during their attacks, make video statements quoting the Koran, chant about Allah in the last seconds of their lifes? Umm, if their religion says that "you should not kill" then when he kills he doesn't really live by the religion or believe in it. If he really was so dedicated to his religion he would follow it exactly. They are just using it as an excuse to do the stuff they are doing, and they are manipulated by their religious leaders who think that they are doing Allahs work by killing people, but I believe that it doesn't say anywhere in Koran that they should terrorise people or do what they are doing right now. I don't think that extreme Islam is perfect, and it certainly has influenced the terrorist attacks, but extreme Islam doesn't go hand in hand with suicide bombing, neither does any other extreme thing, it's just that kind of fucked up way of thinking that led the world in to this shit in the first place, Muslims thinking that extremism is the same as terrorism and the western world thinking that extreme Islamists are the same as terrorists. And that they chant the name of Allah when they blow temselfs up doesn't mean jack shit, if I blow myself up and chant the name of Captain Crunch does it make me extreme cereal fan or something? Those people are maniacs and in a some sort of psychosis, their actions can't be traced back to a religion or any group of people.

QFT All the pictures Bic posted just shows very large parts of planes, where in the case of Pentagon and Flight 93 there is absolutely nothing. True, Aircraft grade aluminium can rip to pieces and fly everywhere, but the chances of it disintegrating and leaving not a single large piece (cockpit, winds, tailsection all reinforced) in sight not to mention the smaller debris that has usually flown about like chairs, toilets and such in two separate cases is straight zero. As for if there was some sort of conspiracy and why would they shoot a missile on the ground, all we can do is speculate, there are hundreds of valid reasons.

Get down from your pedestal, that arrogant bullshit doesn't work on me one bit. The so called "Muslim extremists" are not Muslims one bit, they are like football rioters, they don't even care who won the match, they still are going to trash the place. I bet that you think that every terrorist from Middle-East is a Muslim extremist, and that it has nothing to do with the current USA campaign in Middle-East. You have just brainwashed yourself to believe that the terrorists usa Islam as their main reason, because it suits you just fine, you think that all people living in Islamic countries are so different from you, and that they do these things solely for religion and that they are that uneducated and misinformed, it's suits you fine, because it sets you higher than them and you can feel sorry for them because in your mind, the people didn't have any say to it, because their religion made them do it. But in reality, they hate our guts for letting USA invade their territory, no one lifted a finger to stop them from doing it, and after we have destroyed everything, we created the situation and now we draw ridiculous pictures of their Prophet and give all the support to Israel on their quest to rid all Palestineans, without judging them at all.

There is your racist cracker quote, shows that you not only are infact a racist, but you are very badly educated too. What makes us any different then? There are alot of extremism going on in Christian world too, extremism not only what went down in Ireland in the past but mindless brainwashed people who think that televangelists are actually connected with god and everything like that. And I think that if let's say, Italy or Germany was occupied by some Middle-Eastern country, say, Iran, there would be alot of crazy shit going on in Europe too. Foreign invading army next door creates little tension. Not to mention if Switzerland was give to Hindus by Indonesia (as absurd idea as UK giving Palestinea to Jews).

It's basically what you are saying all the time, you were earlier so proud of your superior tolerance and the "widely known dutch tolerance" and now you come out like a racist. You are all the time, implying that Muslims are evil by default, and that our moral is far superior to their, even though wars started by western countries has killed many more of them than their terrorist attacks, not to mention that we have turned homes, schools and hospitals in Iraq and Afghanistan in to dust. Just face it, you have a problem in your brain, and that is racism, you are actually the worst kind of racist, you somehow justify your racism and don't admit that you are a racist.

Actually, most MNCs pay 40% to 100% higher than local wages. I'm curious about this. Kosmo do you have an article or source? You have to be living in the moon if you don't know that large employees moving create large areas with almost no infrastructure and large groups of unemployed people that have no chance on re-employing since there are no other employees in the area. There are tons and tons of greate examples, one of the biggest is UK, when few big mines were stripmined and there were no more coal to mine the mines just closed down leaving tens of thousands of people without a job and the surrounding infrastructure crumbled because service is useless without people to serve. 80kilometers from Oulu (that is where I live) is Raahe, it is basically supported by a steelmill called Rauta Ruukki, it laid out hundreds of employees few years back and it had very widespread effects in the local economy. Many of the schools and such were funded by Ruukki, if they left, they would create a town with absolutely nothing at all.

But you have to understand that what corporation giveth it taketh away, and a great example of this is many steel mills that create just poverty gaps in areas that were prospering before. Sure the corporations are happy to build shit around them when they are there, but when they leave, they have no remorse on pulling the plug on everything they built. Cashflow just stops no matter what the circumstances.

Well, I think that everyone was in bit of a shock when they first saw that go down. I myself was taking a nap and my roommate was watching the news, he put the tv so loud that I woke up and then we saw the first plane crash (obviously being in finland, everything had happened hours ago, but still it was the first time they was showing that in tv here) and we thought that it was joke or something, surreal. But after several hours of news feed from the happenings in NYC, it sunk in, one of the biggest disasters just had happened the previous night. And we both knew that it would be a global scale thing, affecting the world politics for the coming decades. Really sad when you think about it, event like 9/11 still has long range effect, and a real disaster like the tsunami was just a newsday media event and then forgotten, and to me, the tsunami was way bigger thing than 9/11 ever was and ever will be, and I know that many agree, but still we let bs like this take control of our lifes.

As unsafe as I would feel in a world where the President of Iran would have some superweapons, is as unsafe as I feel now when a fundamental christian like Geroge Bush and his lying bunch of merry men is in charge of the most dangerous nation in the world. I don't care what people say, what matters is what they DO, and USA has proven that it is the most dargerous nation in the face of the earth, it has killed innocent people and destroyed homes and hospitals in wars that it has started with no actual evidence at all. It is as unjustified and unforgivable as actions that have taken place in Chechnya and Tibet.

Fletch there are some big names on your long list, but I got, God, the institute of lower level scientologists with some logistics and a segway, Steve the fanboy, The Pope, Snoop Dogg, The Undertaker, Philips and Sanyo, and they all are on the same page. You really are confident that the way people are trying to impress someone isn't necessarily blackmailing, inside trade, pat in the back and a secret handshake. Ofcourse you understand that if some senator goes around telling that the goverment screwed everyone over, it wouldn't mean that few guys from the high level would get das boot, but all the lower level personnel would be sacrifised first and the higher level goverment can't lose anything, their asses are secured. Blindly believing in something is just so wrong.

The point that you completely missed was that they are not actually "ooh, scary fruitcake people who are completely different from us, making suicide bombing and eating babies" liek you are saying, I consider those in power to be equally insane who sit behind their desk and shoot innocent people with Tomahawks. A perspective you seem to always completely ignore in every discussion.

The debate on "videogame violence" is the same as on drugs. News show only the sad drug stories and not the ones dude tripping on acid and having the time of his life and the next day going to work as a banker that makes more money than the sad newscasters trying to ruin drugs for everybody.

Ok, so one question to everybody, me included. Is anyone here an engineer? Does anyone here work with building materials? Does anyone have anything more than "it was in a documentary, you are poopie head for believing your documentary over my documentary". Not a single one of us know the cold hard facts, the facts that pay the bills on this matter. So pipe down and stop insulting each other over something you actually know as little as the other guy. If you are so sure that something funky went down on the tower that made it collapse, bring me a melted piece of the steel collumn, I'll try to do the same to back up my theories, and as long as neither of us can get some unbreakable facts, it's just guesswork on everyones part.

And that has to do with something because? Leaders of several nations are complete nutcases, they have Tomahawks.

this is like saying 'i dont believe in evolution because you know.. were simply too complex'. Why is it impossible to believe a building would come down like that? Leave evolution out of this. I just talked to several of our engineers of our company and they all said that it's practically impossible (meaning around 0,001 chance of happening) that the burning top floors of a building would bring the whole shit falling down, that would mean that the structural integrity of the whole building was somehow affected by the fire and that would mean that the whole building would have to be on fire. Fairly modern building collumns are designed to support and withstand masses up to twise it's own, so how burning building could increase the mass to a point where it broke the whole structure just doesn't happen. This leads to my first point, the buildings burning part would have just grown so weak that it would have just fell off, instead of turning the whole building in to rubble and dust. The needed 1500 - 2000 degrees celsius to burn the steel collumns reiforced with steel concrete would only come from massive amounts of rocket fuel, normal AVGAS doesn't burn that hot nor does it burn that long, it's designed in such a way that if a plane crashes it burns out cuickly which then would leave the normal burning rubble that doesn't have the capability of creating such intense heat.

I would believed it if the buildings top side would have just fallen off like 100% of similar cases, but the whole building coming down like it was demolished? A building that was designed to sustain fire, storms, and earth quakes. I don't know about the rest of the conspiracy theory, but I just can't believe that a building that massive would just be reduced to dust by simple plane crash. Atleast several floors from the bottom of the building would have been intact, that I'm 100% sure of.

I agree with the facts in the movie. There is just no way those buildings came down so clean with just a plane hitting them, the idea of a whole building collapsing leaving not a single floor intact from a fire in the upper floors is just a fariytale. You can set a modern building on fire and the supporting structures are intact after 10 hours of burning.

One thing people seem to forget is that they suicide bomb, we shoot long range missiles and bomb them with fighter jets. Now why is that? Oh yeah, religious extremists don't have long range missiles and fighter jets, they have explosives and no time to plan the attack, means to deliver the bomb other than running there and blowing everything up is pretty much it. Or do you honestly think that they would do it still if they had some Tomahawks?

Idea is a perfect ten, Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. If you guys have the time, I would recommend that you take the time to remake the board texture, it wouldn't be that hard to whip up something like that in Illustrator or InDesign.

I assume that all of you know the Doomsday Clock, and that the clock is at 7 minutes right now. But the recent changes in world politics and Iran trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and the uncertainty of what countries have actual nuclear weapons or the means to produce them or sell components crucial on building one. The world has been in 2 Minutes to Midnight in 1953 to 1960, which has been closest it has been, but numbers have since become more realistic even though the amount of nuclear weapons in the world has increased over ten fold. This is not your doomsday discussion so no wise crackig please, but genuine input on the matter.

Yes it was, I said it, I'm not america, and I still said it, it's all words, meaning nothing. Most of the anti-somefancything people are just saying things. I have met people who were at the same time in a anti-McDonald's rally with me that said "McDonald's is raping rainforests" and at the same time the dude was smoking a cig, can you imagine the inanity of that. Most of hating something is done out of not knowing anything, not being any smarter than the person you oppose. As like we don't know jack about muslims and their religion and culture we bash them, they don't know jack about our religious beliefs and culture and they think we are all hitlers and bash us. I think Zilla said this like a decade ago, but most things are done out of ignorance, and untolarance. That is all, go to bed.

Nice input. Yeah, I was always assuming that the "10% of potential capacity" means that the things we use our brain for only uses 10% of our potential brain capacity of what it could be if humans could harness the brain correctly, not like that the other 90% is just useless flesh that could be cut out and still be functioning properly. There have been alot of tests where scientists scan brain patterns and waves of very smart people and some normal people, in Prism (a finnish science tv show) there was a documentary about brain and there was something about such a test and they said that some mensa dude was using way more of his brain than the "control" subjects who were in the limits of normal people (I guess capable of learning stuff but not necessarily automatically understand things like the mensa dude who was like a god). There is so little empirical evidence of anything like this, so it's almost impossible to say if it is true or false, man knows so little of his own brain. The 1TB to 100TB in relative computer capacity is based on the theory of neurons being able to store "one bit" that is to say on or off I guess, and the estimated amount of neurons in brain and calculating something in that sense. But it's most likely that brain just compresses and uses the information so much more efficiently that we can't compare it to a computer, not even in the year 2030 since brain stores everykind of data, from human motor functions to images and feelings, computers mainly store porn But I like where we are going. I wish more people would give input.

I was wondering this a bit since I haven't been keeping my eye out for the science forums for discussion about brain for a while, I lost my interest because all scientists just throw around wild theories and nothing remotely scientific. So what is happening on the old brain department these days? What is the latest hot theory about human brain, few latest comments about human brain what I can remember are something like "humans use only 10% of their potential capacity" and that "human brain can store from around 1TB to 100TB of information with much more efficient data compression and storing than computer ofcourse". I have always found this forum to be a great source for scientific talk since people here actually pay attenttion to these kind of things. This forum should be renamed to be "Political, Religious and Scientific Discussion" since this is not just Political discussion.

Maybe my evil badger and your friendly badger could get together sometimes, knock down few beers and maybe form an alliance of sorts against the non badger countries, and rule them with iron grip.