Kosmo

Yeah, it's not that good game for a pad, you point with mouse and you might want to talk with someone.

The whole meaning of art has suffered greatly in the last 100 years, and ultimately art became means to do money, it became a job just like any job. But we have also at the same time broadened it vastly, now we have not only artists but designers and such who use the "art" for other purposes, like entertainment and merketting. So I don't think that you can count out movies and games in modern day art just because they are entertainment, they are as much art as the "real" art, because most of the time it is done for amusement and it's sole purpose today is to entertain, also the art has become more common, these days you don't have to be a king or count to own art. But each to it's own I guess, people value stupid things. As I put more value on a good movie than I put on some abstract painting that is elitist and expensive just because what? The person who did it is somehow so special? Better than me? In what way is he so much better than me or anyone just because he painted a painting? Did the painting cure cancer?

What kind of header image are you looking for? Maybe I could hel you out there. Or you should check if you find a nice spot on one of your maps to take a screen from and put that there. Maybe you could make a spray logo with your nick in it and go in to one of your maps and paint it in and take screen of it and put it there, that would be a neat touch for a mapper.

Whoa, header image and the "norwegian level artist" are really really cheesy.. but as always, I say something positive. It serves the purpose and the design is no nonsense and goes to the point like a buzzsaw (or something that actually goes to the point unlike buzzsaw).

Nope, WoW doesn't support gamepads nor joysticks, but if you have any newer logitech pads, you can tie the pad to keyboard and mouse actions so it should work, but how well... I have no idea.

Yeah, definedly a job well done, they earned my respect, by not jumping to the "new and shiny" bandwagon.

Kosmo has a hunch: I bet he has no problem finding a job

Has this mod been under development for a long time? Or did some guy just think it would be cool to make a mod for HL even when HL2 was under way?

Blind as a bat. Oh man, I'm called blind by a guy who thinks the king of fairies will take him to heaven... Mom allways warned me of these days. Besides, I have faith in modern medicine and science, that doesn't mean that they cay cure everything, but you know what.. if they can't, your voodoo mumbo jumbo won't either I have yet to meet a guy who was actually cured by some sort of religion, and I see thousands of people every day that are alive because of modern medical science. Kosmo 1, Religious yahoos 0.

The part of Atari paying Spielberg 20 million for the rights of the game and burying several million game cartridges in to a dump somewhere are right.

And you don't see the contempt Kosmo and Pericolos0 shows someone of your faith? They are not just finding that any similarities between Religion and Science is preposterous, the way they write about it clearly shows how they look down upon those who have what they lack, faith. I have faith, faith that when I happen to be in car crash my seatbelt and airbag will save me, faith that if I ever get severely ill, the modern medicine will have a cure, faith that justice system is good enough to put away those religious yahoos that ruin the life of every fucking person in the whole globe. I have faith, what I lack, is blind faith.

You should have made him in his adorable bear suit.

I got that video with one of my ATI cards when I bought it, there was some car video too with neat shaders and all. The coordination in the movie is just mindblowing!

this tickles my funny bone

I don't know if it is me splitting hair or everybody else over generalizing things, but everyone speak game graphics as "art" by default. I don't consider myself as an artist, I make graphics for various medias like ad agencies and sometimes dabble with game graphics. Do I consider everything that is graphical as art in games? No I don't, do I consider some graphics in games to be art, yes I do. Why is this? Well, it's simple, even if I worked at a game developer as a graphic designer (or artist as some of you like to say) many of my work would be "children of labor", just something I HAD to whip up, because the boss said so. But then there are the things that I put love in to them, things that I look forward to do, something that speaks to me and it is something unique. A character model is a good example of this. It's like when artists used to have appretices who mixed paint and made canvases, some even painted the backgrounds for the master to paint a portrait on. But is the background itself art? I don't consider it to be, it's turns in to art when the portrait itself is painted on it. I would be rather arrogant bastard to call myself an artist if I worked at game developer, since not EVERYTHING I make is something unique and magnificent centerpiece.

That's simple, Kosmo: it's more unique plus it is directly from the hand of the artist. I'm not an expert art-fan but a 300 yr old painting says something about the culture the artist lived in, his thaughts and the way things were back then. It's also interesting to realize that the paint itself has been brought on the fabric 300 yrs ago by someone who lived right then. So when there are 300 years old games, you will consider them as art? And how exactly video games don't represent the current culture? They are afterall a major part of pop-culture. There are loads of museums dedicated to videogames. I have even visited one in germany.

The lovable Gir from Invader Zim

Little off topic sorry, but I just had a vision of a game that was a mix of Freedom Fighters and BF2... that game would be GOD! I'll shut up now.

I'd say that over 90% art is done to be sold, and most are quite affordable, it's just less than 0.01% of art that becomes Mona Lisa or Beethoven's Eroica. And there ARE games that are being made out of sheer love for gaming, most notably modding community for various games. And to say that a work made on only one medium (e.g. painting or symphony) has more going on is rather strange, by what measure they have more going on than, say a game or a movie?

I'm bored to the idea of CS being the measure of a good game...

Taking the most enjoyable movie I have seen in my life, and taking the most enjoyable experience with a game that I ever had, I would say that games take me deeper than movies. Games are definedly an artform, yes, they serve different purpose from movies, poetry, paintings, but I wouldn't compare them all together anyway, a painting can never achieve what a movie can, but movie can't achieve what a poem can, and poem can never achieve what a game can. It is interactive, and it has a set of rules (or boundaries if you will) but does it lessen the effort to made in the game? Does it lessen the artistic view of the developers? No. The same boundaries and group effort can be found in movies and theater too, boundaries where they can't do everything imagination can, and there are different parts that make up the whole. So what I think is, that if you don't consider game to be art, then you are fool to consider any other modern media as an art.

So you would say that a painting isn't art because it is painted on a surface? Surface which could be stone, wood or fabric, so is a wall art? Or pair of pants? The rules are just part of a whole, just like in painting, the surface is meaningless when compared to the combination of surface, paint and the story that the painting is trying to tell. Maybe none of the parts itself can be considered art per se, but just like many great things, when combined, it's more than the sum of it's parts.

One must define first, what IS art, and then when the proper defining factors are clear, then we can say what is art. What is art is individual, everything is art, thusly, nothing is art, art is all.

I think Lord of the Rings was better, since Tolkien went for the trouble and actually invented a brand new world that has inspired thousands of other fictive worlds. Bible has pretty boring world, and the whole talking consciusness or "god" was done way better by worm in Irvine Welshe's Filth. I give props to the distribution system who, few books have whole countries aligned behind them to promote it. I'd like to meet that authors publicist, maybe he could cut a great deal for my coming book.

It's easy to remember what season which episode goes here in Finland, even as popular series as X-Files or even Simpsons, there are like 3 month pauses between seasons for reasons not understandable by mere mortals.