New Steam Games Agreement.

im illiterate

Jynx , a link wouldnt be useless here

http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?a ... _agreement

Nobody reads them. If someone does wrong somewhere Valve can point to that agreement and say "Don't say we didn't warn you"

im beginning to see the point of this thread.

I just read some of it and I it looks just fine to me.

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You may use, reproduce and modify the SDK solely to develop a modified game (a "Mod") for Half-Life 2 or other Valve products compatible with and using the Source Engine. You may reproduce, distribute and license the Mod in object code form, solely to licensed end users of Half-Life 2 or other compatible Valve products, without charge.

So all those mods who are planning to sell their end-product are kind of fucked.

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So all those mods who are planning to sell their end-product are kind of fucked.

I'm sure if they contact valve, they can work something out. Look at They Hunger.

They Hunger signed a liscensing and distribution deal. A lot of mods I've seen floating around and trying to score their own deals or do it themselves through Paypal. Of course they have zero leverage, so I'm sensing that their plans aren't going to work.

Uh. Can you give an example mod who is doing that, Fletch?

I'll agree that the whole point of making a mod seems to be lost these days. Seems that every mod team with the execption of a small percentage only started the mod to try and score a deal with valve and turn it into an idividual game. I think dystopia and incoming source were/are trying to do that.

read the first two words of his post, curman

Yeah, it's pretty daft S8. The sad thing is that pretty much all of these mods will/did end up being fairly boring since they've just gone for the style and glamour of modding rather than, you know, making an actual fun game. Garry's Mod is pretty much the only HL2 modificaiton that I've seen play true to what it's all about, and that's creating a unique, fun game in a fairly unplanned fashion. It started out as a little personal experiment, and yet ended up being a phenominally popular mod -- kind of like the big HL1 mods (CS, DoD) which ended up Valvified.

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Also talk about the many other Agreements in software you don't read.

Nobody reads these, and companies know this.

I doubt they would hold up in court, for anything with an EULA that would actually send someone to court. (I can't think of a good example right now ). So basically it doesn't really hold as a contract.

how mods used to be made-

Doom - Mid-Half-Life 1 Dayz

Guy 1: Lol let's make a mod

Guy 2: zomg ok.

Guy 2: Need help plz, like 3 guys kthx

Guy 3,4,5: Zing! I'm in!

Guy 1: lol this is cool

Guy 2: lol add that there

Guy 4: Lewl look what i did

Guy 1: lol that rocks

Guy 3: let's release a preview lol

Guy 1: Zing!

Guy 2, 3, 4 5: Zing!

Guy 1: lol they kinda liked it

Guy 2: they want an interview with the leader?

Guy 1: we have a leader? wtf? lol

Guy 2: lol let's update it, and put some new maps in.

Guy 5: Zing!

Guy 1: ok lol, that was fun, let's make another mod, waddaya say guys?

Guy 2: sure ok lol

Guy 3, 4, 5: Zing!

Todays Mods

----Mid-Half-Life to Current

CEO GUY 1: I am recruiting for a professional game team making a game that we will sell to people, work for me and I will give you royalties!

Guy 2: I would like to help!

CEO Guy 1: No way, you suck, only people with skills plz

Guy 2: you rule

CEO Guy 1: Wait a second, yes, you can be my designer!

Guy 2: thank you Sir!

CEO Guy 1: Go get me some recruits, only people with skills please, we are going to get super rich off our MOD kthx.

Guy 2: Now hiring for Half-Life 2 MOD that will be sold retail! Kthx

Guy 3, 4, 5: Can we help, I am t3h 1337 plz.

Guy 2: Sure

CEO Guy 1: Welcome, do as I say, or you will be punished, kicked off MY team and you will NEVER get any spotlight, working under me. OK?

Guy 2, 3, 4, 5: Yes sir!

------16 months, 1/2 a map and 4 models later-------

CEO Guy 1: Wow our GAME is awesome, we are going to name ourselves a STUDIO now, ok thanks.

Ego Guy 2, 3, 4, 5: Yes master! Now we are a studio, we know all about the hardships of deadlines, publishers and the riding of millions of dollars on a product! Our GAME is going to be awesome!

------48 Months later and beta released-------

CEO Guy 1: WTF they don't like it, everyone hates it WTF they are all gay.

Ego Guy 2, 3, 4, 5: No, you just suck, I'm going to go start MY OWN STUDIO and GAME!

Ego Guy 2: My studio Open!

Ego Guy 3: My studio Open!

Ego Guy 4: My studio Open!

Ego Guy 5: My studio Open!

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I hope that explains, in detail, my utter disgust with the modding community these days. Thank you! i'm up for childrens shows btw.

agreed

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agreed

totally agree, the fun is gone and almost all theres left are wannabe pros

almost like the hardcore player community, they all think they are pro players........

Isn't the "we're making a mod but we are counting on being bought"-phenomenon more or less only to be found in the HL community?

I would think that most people in charge of these mods have looked at CS and DOD and want to be the next to receive a bag of money from Valve.

I wonder what would happen if Valve came out and said "ok, we will never ever in a billion years buy another mod". The day after, Planethalflife would probably be covered with news-storys regarding mod-cancelletions.

The rest of the mods would probably schedule their beta-release for year 1 000 000 002 005