EU Referendum

So EU now has a free space of exactly 1 GB?

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/…lions-1-7982120

Political autism (yorkshire was 60% leave)

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5 minutes ago, Vaya said: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/…lions-1-7982120

Political autism (yorkshire was 60% leave)

Not the only place to be a bunch of utter idiots.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-n…f-a7101311.html

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12 hours ago, Hipshot said: In Sweden EU-laws are superior to Swedish national laws, with some few exceptions, it's even written in our constitution that we are a member of the EU and the constitution is in many ways adopted to fit well into the EU and how it works.

Afaik it should be because of the Lisboa pact in 2007.

And to be fair, if we are to create a union of states, that's the way to go.

Unfortunately, compared to the US that we try to imitate, we have centuries of legislation and very very different cultures, whereas the US was being created by like minded people who, spoke only one language for starters (dunno if French did matter).

A lot of legislation wouldn't happen at all and certain important topics would never be regulated: I work in the environmental sector and my colleagues (teachers) are now concerned not only about what they'll teach in two years (the programs they run are EU based) but that most environment protection laws in UK come from EU, and I'm worried what a deregulation could do to this beautiful country. In Italy we are destroying everything in favour of building houses and factories, I would hate see that happen here.

PS: "Brexit, a still life"

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I have very few people voting leave in my Facebook echo chamber. The one that did was posting union flags all over his Facebook in celebration, and when it was pointed out this might trigger a Scottish independence vote so good luck with that flag, his reply was that we should let them go independent and then invade them with the British army.

What worries me is the leave campaign was... really bad. Dan Hannan did a pretty good speech at the spectator debate, but outside of that it's headed by Nigel Farage who runs a party with openly racist members, BoJo the Clown in his Big Red Bullshit Bus, and spokespeople who say "what do experts know?" Regardless of the merits of leave and remain these are clearly grade-a morons who should not haven be taken seriously.

Lmao, the "I'm tired of experts" comment by that politician is so sad i physically face palmed. To think millions of peole follow this mentality.

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2 minutes ago, blackdog said: Afaik it should be because of the Lisboa pact in 2007.

And to be fair, if we are to create a union of states, that's the way to go.

Unfortunately, compared to the US that we try to imitate, we have centuries of legislation and very very different cultures, whereas the US was being created by like minded people who, spoke only one language for starters (dunno if French did matter).

A lot of legislation wouldn't happen at all and certain important topics would never be regulated: I work in the environmental sector and my colleagues (teachers) are now concerned not only about what they'll teach in two years (the programs they run are EU based) but that most environment protection laws in UK come from EU, and I'm worried what a deregulation could do to this beautiful country. In Italy we are destroying everything in favour of building houses and factories, I would hate see that happen here.

I'm not saying it's necessary a bad thing with some of these laws (probably most are good) and I fully agree that legislation surrounding environment and also animal protection, are a very good thing. Living next to one of the most polluted seas in the world, it's at least a start when countries around are trying to work together for some kind of improvement...

But, few people really care about that bigger picture and if the EU were, for some reason, to revoke Swedens exception to the snuff ban in the EU, people would get really annoyed and wonder, why are we in this union anyway? I don't care about snuff, they should just ban that shit altogether, sames goes with other forms of tobacco. BUT if they also revoke the exception Sweden has to manufacture and sell salt-liquorish (apparently too much ammonium chloride is toxic?), I would vote us out the day I'm given the possibility to do that.

Good riddance, it'll just take a while to recover. When the britbongs voted into EU way back when, most people voted for the trade deals, not for the amount of legislation and laws that would fall upon them.

Swexit when?

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On 6/24/2016 at 9:27 AM, Izuno said: Your move, Texas.

Scotland was already looking at another referendum anyway, but Brexit has pushed it much higher on the agenda as many of the promises made by Cameron were on the condition that the UK stays in the EU. Scotland had a pretty good deal being in the EU (and the polls show the support). But not being attached to the rest of the UK I very much doubt a country with a 5 million population who have a GDP somewhere around the same as Portugal are in any position to make such similar demands to the EU.

Also, I never can tell if tweets like @(HP) posted are just tongue in cheek comments or if they are serious. Immigration is a lot more than "dey stealin r jobs" and so much more to do with the UK not having the infrastructure to support such a rapid increase in population. The UK has some of the largest class sizes in the world and certainly the largest in the EU. There are a complete lack of any sort of affordable housing in the major cities and of course the strain on the NHS because for some reason (language barrier usually) immigrants will go to the emergency room instead of a local doctor to be treated. Then of course having to abide by the EU's quotas mean that many of the immigrants that the UK traditionally got from Commonwealth nations where there are many good English schools have to be rejected to keep numbers down.

But of course we could just reject any rational discussion for why people might not like the current immigration policy and keep to the popular narrative of "damn kebabs stealing our jobs"

So, I have a question...

Since this whole vote is obviously about immigration, wouldn't it be easier to just create stricter immigration laws in the UK? Why do something so stupid like detaching your country from the umbilical cord for many industries?

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4 hours ago, (HP) said: So, I have a question...

Since this whole vote is obviously about immigration, wouldn't it be easier to just create stricter immigration laws in the UK? Why do something so stupid like detaching your country from the umbilical cord for many industries?

Obviously it was because politicians told the people that leaving the EU wouldn't change funding but would only change the sovereignty of the country. So they felt economy would remain the same so might as well be racists jerk and go our own way.

Which by the way is bad, because now, France has absolutely noooooooooo fuck to give the UK about keeping immigrants in Calais before they go in the UK... so the UK leaving could mean more Syrian and other immigrants coming there.

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5 hours ago, (HP) said: So, I have a question...

Since this whole vote is obviously about immigration, wouldn't it be easier to just create stricter immigration laws in the UK? Why do something so stupid like detaching your country from the umbilical cord for many industries?

Wouldn't say the whole vote is about immigration, just that it was a key issue.

During the Tories' 2010 campaign, one of Cameron's campaign pledges was to cut net migration to 100,000 a year by the end of his term. Which at the time was about half of the current net migration in the UK. A goal that because more obviously unachievable as the years passed and immigration numbers kept rising. It became clear that being part of the EU with its free movement, the government wouldn't be able to impose limits to migration. This of course highlighted to the more euro septic MP's that the UK has no control over its borders.

So during the Tories' 2015 Campaign Cameron instead of fighting against numbers he said he would campaign for benefit reforms where people coming from the EU would have to work for 4 years before being qualified for certain benefits, some of which being free social housing and child tax credits, in the hope that net migration would fall. The EU outright rejected the idea just before the referendum.

As a result it made Cameron look weak and powerless to make any decision on the subject, and fuelled the fire the anti EU supporters were burning.

So its not as if this was some sudden decision. It has been an issue ever since Tony Blair was in power and part of the reason Labour lost the election was immigration. Its been a very hot topic for over 15 years and although change was attempted, it was rejected by the EU. Now like it or not, we live in a much more uncertain time.

I would like to also point out that no one really gave the leave campaign a chance to win when the Tories made the referendum part of the campaign pledges. But a whole bunch of terrible circumstances and events seemed to suddenly appear that really galvanised the leave campaign and gave them so much ammo to fight with. One of the big ones being Cameron being given the shaft by Merkel. The EU is in no way blameless in this situation and could have stopped it had they wished.

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10 hours ago, (HP) said: So, I have a question...

Since this whole vote is obviously about immigration, wouldn't it be easier to just create stricter immigration laws in the UK? Why do something so stupid like detaching your country from the umbilical cord for many industries?

It was such an oversimplification to make this about immigration. On both sides really. Vice shared a video yesterday about some antifas protesting Brexit. You have to let this sink in, some lefties getting salty because they have to leave this neoliberal utopia that is the EU. I've seen similar reactions all over the internet.

I don't get why so many fall for such a simple world view themselfes, while at the same time pointing their fingers at others for it. Sure the conservatives have won for the time being but Brexit is as much an oportunity for the left to steer their country in a new direction as it is for the conservatives. Britain could become a bastion for democracy and freedom while the EU slips ever deeper into becoming an oligarchic police state. People just have to want it and it's easier to make it a reality in a small part of the world then some mega institution that spans half a continent. There being an actual poll to decide the future direction is a good start, a freedom that leaders in most other EU countries are too scared to afford their citizens.

As for the economy, i honestly don't think that too much will change in the long run. Britain is too big a market for the EU not wanting to tap into and vice versa. Same for freedom of movement.

Also do not forget england kept the sovereignty of its currency and wasn't depending of the european central bank, so technically they already had a foot out of the EU since the beginning, you could even say they just had a toe in.