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Lets talk about circumcision shall we?

  • MrH2o
  • October 17, 2007 at 9:06 AM
  • Duff-e
    • October 23, 2007 at 2:14 PM
    • #61

    children reject the religion of their parents all the time....I've never felt handicapped because I'm circumcised

    ....and you know theres a procedure to put the skin back on if it really bothers you that much. so I don't see what the big deal is. if it's about choice then there are so many more important and influential things in a child's life than whether or not they have a flap of skin on their penis. why focus on that?

  • FrieChamp
    • October 23, 2007 at 2:20 PM
    • #62

    Because it's weird and you are wrong.

  • Duff-e
    • October 23, 2007 at 2:27 PM
    • #63

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcisi ... _religions

    and as a cultural thing christians have no influence on it...which means the only motivation for a christian parents to have their child circumcised would be the health/hygiene aspects. doesn't sound that malicious to me.

    argue with jewish people all you want but I'm just saying it's not like some cult of the modified penis...it's like being inoculated as a child...you could die from the antibiotics but that choice is made for you as well.

  • Thrik
    • October 23, 2007 at 3:01 PM
    • #64

    Heh, a procedure for putting it back on? Oh man, you guys think so crazily. How about you just let someone make the choice themselves in the first place?

    As for the health/hygiene aspect, it might not be malicious but it's still uninformed ignorance that results in permanent removal of a part of the body; there is quite simply no comparison to having vaccinations, which do have genuine health benefits.

    You know, they once put drills into people's heads -- including children -- based on the belief that it relieved headaches, released demons, etc. Their parents may have thought they were doing the right thing, but you know what? They weren't.

    Circumcision is an archaic practice that survives simply due to misconceptions and tradition. There is no logical reason to do it beyond fitting in. Fortunately this 'fitting in' only applies to the US; you guys can chop off a part of your kids' dicks all you like.

    BTW, regarding the evolution thing I'm guessing it came to be to protect the ultra-sensitive/soft head of the penis, which I'm guessing is something circumcised people can't really imagine. Would have sucked to get a branch or something cutting open the end of your dick as a caveman.

  • ⌐■_■
    • October 23, 2007 at 4:58 PM
    • #65

    tbh i think theres less then few people who feel bad about their parents making the desicion to circumcise them at birth. why do we turn this in to such a huge problem? its tradition, precaution (regardless your opinion about it, doctors still advice circumcision) and maybe even a social standard but wtf?

    i sure dont miss that piece of skin

  • RD
    • October 23, 2007 at 5:39 PM
    • #66
    Quote from killertomato

    tbh i think theres less then few people who feel bad about their parents making the desicion to circumcise them at birth. why do we turn this in to such a huge problem? its tradition, precaution (regardless your opinion about it, doctors still advice circumcision) and maybe even a social standard but wtf? i sure dont miss that piece of skin

    I would rather be blind and deaf than miss this piece of skin which protects my ability to feel pure pleasure. Ofcourse you never experienced this KT so you wont miss it

  • Duff-e
    • October 23, 2007 at 5:56 PM
    • #67
    Quote

    Circumcision is an archaic practice that survives simply due to misconceptions and tradition. There is no logical reason to do it beyond fitting in. Fortunately this 'fitting in' only applies to the US; you guys can chop off a part of your kids' dicks all you like. Ah Yeah

    Quote

    Wikipedia:Circumcision is most prevalent in Muslim countries, Israel, the United States, the Philippines and South Korea and is commonly practised in the Jewish and Muslim faiths.

    ?

    and RD...not feel pleasure? I dunno when I have sex it's fantastic

  • ⌐■_■
    • October 23, 2007 at 6:28 PM
    • #68
    Quote from RD

    I would rather be blind and deaf than miss this piece of skin which protects my ability to feel pure pleasure. Ofcourse you never experienced this KT so you wont miss it

    hehe.. well maybe thats in my advantadge but at least I can hold my climax long enough to satisfy my partner

  • Duff-e
    • October 23, 2007 at 6:38 PM
    • #69

    oh shit killertomato went there haha

    I don't understand what the problem. The people who have uncircumcised penises like their uncircumcised penis....the people who are circumcised like their circumcised penis...whats the problem?

    why are you trying to tell people what they should/shouldn't think/feel? God knows I don't walk around all day thinking about my circumcised penis; aside from the pleasuring that it does some fine ass ladies. ;D

  • Steppenwolf
    • October 23, 2007 at 7:04 PM
    • #70

    If you like your circumsiced dick fine. But people should stop doing this to their kids. It's barbaric and puts the babys in unneccesary danger.

    We live in the fucking 21st century! Nobody should be allowed to mutilate innocent babys for religious or puritanic reasons.

  • SnipaMasta
    • October 23, 2007 at 7:10 PM
    • #71
    Quote from DUFFY

    and RD...not feel pleasure? I dunno when I have sex it's fantastic

    There is reduced pleasure, because you're cutting off shitloads of nerve endings and the head of the penis will become desensitised over time.

    Plus, it's easier to with an uncircumsised dick.

  • Duff-e
    • October 23, 2007 at 7:25 PM
    • #72

    I think you guys are making way to strong of a correlation between the genital mutilation of a womans clitoris (which I don't approve of) and removing a part of skin that is more or less a scientific moot point. Maybe I'm making the mistake of basing my assumptions off of what is on wikipedia but it covers both sides of the argument and theres no real conclusive evidence for or against.

    I don't believe in religion anyway so I'm on the side of the opponents of circumcision in that respect; perhaps the religious people just got lucky because it turns out to be disease prevention as well. But I would never give a person shit because they circumcised their child based on medical data.

  • ⌐■_■
    • October 23, 2007 at 8:27 PM
    • #73

    i seriously dont understand all the sudden hate against people who decide to circumcise their boys.. ffs let it go.. also, there's a thin line with being against circumcision and offending circumcised people's parents. why not respect it? if you feel like bettering the world so much, why not spend your energy on taking care of poverty? :S

    anywaaayyyzz.. to conclude my rantings in this post: i have great sex and i love my penis.

  • Steppenwolf
    • October 23, 2007 at 8:30 PM
    • #74

    but you would approve the removal of vagina lips?

  • aevirex
    • October 23, 2007 at 9:03 PM
    • #75

    gfjjgfhj

  • Defrag
    • October 23, 2007 at 9:51 PM
    • #76
    Quote from killertomato

    i seriously dont understand all the sudden hate against people who decide to circumcise their boys.. ffs let it go.. also, there's a thin line with being against circumcision and offending circumcised people's parents. why not respect it? if you feel like bettering the world so much, why not spend your energy on taking care of poverty? :S

    Needlessly chopping off part of someone's dick qualifies as pointless mutilation -- it's pretty obvious why it raises people's hackles -- you cannot defend it with any kind of logic, so why do it? We live in an age of supposed enlightenment, but people are still persisting with this totally archaic practice due to ignorance and the fact that, "everyone else has it done". You ask why opponents don't respect the views of those who advocate it? It's obvious really; it's a needless procedure carried out on someone who is too young to choose of their own free will. I'm not going to respect a parent's choice to needlessly chop off part of their child's anatomy "just because" it's apparently the done thing. If it offends them, too bad. Circumcision offends me.

  • ⌐■_■
    • October 23, 2007 at 9:55 PM
    • #77
    Quote from Steppenwolf

    but you would approve the removal of vagina lips?

    i see what point youre trying to make. but ill serve you with my answer anyway

    no, i dont approve of that. and i dont think comparing those two circumcisions with eachother is fair either. look, the circumcision of woman is a barbaric muslim custom. its dangerous and it shows the disrespect for women. the reason behind this gruesome act is so that the woman may have no pleasure while having sex so that she won't be tempted to sleep with another partner. i am possibly even more horrified by this phenomena then you.. (have you read books by Waris Dirie? these explain in painful detail the barbarisms she had to undergo in relation to this topic).

    Quote from Defrag

    Needlessly chopping off part of someone's dick qualifies as pointless mutilation -- it's pretty obvious why it raises people's hackles -- you cannot defend it with any kind of logic, so why do it? We live in an age of supposed enlightenment, but people are still persisting with this totally archaic practice due to ignorance and the fact that, "everyone else has it done". You ask why opponents don't respect the views of those who advocate it? It's obvious really; it's a needless procedure carried out on someone who is too young to choose of their own free will. I'm not going to respect a parent's choice to needlessly chop off part of their child's anatomy "just because" it's apparently the done thing. If it offends them, too bad. Circumcision offends me.

    im sorry you cant seem to live with it. seeing this already forms such a big problem for you, i hope you see to live with all other small anoyances hat are not logicly explainable.. altho, seeing how much circumcised people DONT have any problem with it, i dont quite get your point..? i dont feel abused or something so why dont you fight for something the victims actually think it's worth your energy?

  • Rick_D
    • October 23, 2007 at 10:05 PM
    • #78

    removing the foreskin makes the penis less sensitive.

    it's a fair comparison, it's all about context

  • Psy
    • October 23, 2007 at 10:52 PM
    • #79

    So much dick in a non-EoT thread.

  • Thrik
    • October 23, 2007 at 11:02 PM
    • #80
    Quote from DUFFY

    Wikipedia:Circumcision is most prevalent in Muslim countries, Israel, the United States, the Philippines and South Korea and is commonly practised in the Jewish and Muslim faiths.

    ?

    and RD...not feel pleasure? I dunno when I have sex it's fantastic

    I was loosely talking about western countries, but more specifically comparing Europe and America. I'm fully aware countries that have an almost 100% Jewish population and various others practice circumcision. ¬¬

    But moving on, regarding the comparison to vagina cutting:

    1. Cutting off part of a female's genitals

    2. Cutting off part of a male's genitals

    Yes, it's really hard to see how people are drawing up correlations between the two.

    As for the vagina circumcision being so much worse due to its pleasure-discouraging intent, it might interest you to know that in the 19th century doctors were widely known to propose circumcision as a way of discouraging masturbation, as well as the now-disproved hygiene benefits.

    I don't think any of us uncircumcised people really care if you have a circumcised dick or if you have good sex. I, for one, am simply saying that the practice of circumcision is grounded in a completely outdated mindset, and that cutting off part of someone's cock should be a decision the person who has the cock makes.

    But as I also said earlier, if you guys in the US want to do that then fine. I'll rest happy knowing that nobody in my family (or indeed the other 96% of the country) will be circumcised. If nothing else, I just pity the children of the US; it's very nice having an extremely soft and sensitive penis head, and a culture that supports it.

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