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Guitar n00b asking experienced e-guitarists for advise

  • FrieChamp
  • September 7, 2007 at 7:02 PM
  • FrieChamp
    • September 7, 2007 at 7:02 PM
    • #1

    Hey, I think about learning how to play the guitar (guitar hero doesn't do it for me anymore..), preferably an e-guitar (rawr).

    There must be some people around here, who could give me some advise on good beginner guitars and what amp should go with it.

    I know there are 2 different kind of e-guitar styles (fender and les paul) and that I should probably get a guitar that incorporates both styles and can switch inbetween (even if not perfect, but good enough for a beginner, ibanez or yamaha for example).

    How much watt would you think is appropriate for a beginner/practise amp? Do built in effects on the amp pay off, so I don't need to buy pedals later on (again, just for practise)?

    As far as my music style goes - once I've banged on it for a while, I dream of playing punk rock songs some day

    Any kind of advise and bits of information for a beginner is appreciated, thanks!

  • e-freak
    • September 7, 2007 at 7:16 PM
    • #2

    go with a classic one first, learn the basic accords (look wiki books) and then you can turn to the e-guitar

    classicals can be quite cheap (30€) if you just want it for basic training

    oh and you may listen to jack johnson and ben harpor to get some inspirement what you can get out of guitars

  • Psy
    • September 7, 2007 at 7:27 PM
    • #3

    Go for a classical guitar. They won't hurt your fingertips as much as a guitar with steel strings.

  • Grin
    • September 7, 2007 at 7:41 PM
    • #4

    Well, if you want electrical, get electrical. Acoustic won't propably cut it for you, even if it is nice to play acoustic one later because of the nice soft feeling.

    I don't know what kind of music do you like, but I could personally recommend ESP-LTD series, especially if you like metal music. There is a Les Paul model, and the 100-> series are ok quality.

    I can't really help you with the amp, personally I have a Roland Microcube, which cost me about 90 euros and is a total charm.

  • FrieChamp
    • September 7, 2007 at 7:53 PM
    • #5

    Jack Johnson is definitely not for me, I'm more thinking Pennywise, Offspring, Millencollin...punk rock, pop punk or however you want to define that. Fast and e-guitar basically.

    I know I will spend many months stripping chords, until I can play something slightly recognizable, but if even the perfect result wouldn't satisfy me, there is no point for me in trying, so I would like to go for e-guitar, not acoustic.

    Grin: The microcube - I guess it doesn't get any smaller than that

    It sounds good for you? Maybe I should try it, but I'm thinking spending a few more bucks on something bigger might not hurt either..

  • Psy
    • September 7, 2007 at 8:15 PM
    • #6

    Fine. Let your fingers bleed. Don't say we didn't warn you.

  • FrieChamp
    • September 7, 2007 at 8:18 PM
    • #7

    [Blocked Image: http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/images/Fender-351-Pick-Medium.jpg]

    :\ ?

  • Psy
    • September 7, 2007 at 8:23 PM
    • #8

    Plectrum thickness is all to do with preference. The thin ones are only good for shredding as for rhythm play, they're too flimsy.

  • Grin
    • September 8, 2007 at 8:34 AM
    • #9

    http://www.musamaailma.fi/WebRoot/musa/ ... _STBLK.jpg

    This is what I'm currently shredding with. I usually use medium picks (I don't really like to use picks) but I've heard that beginners should use heavy picks to get a better response of how you are picking.

    The microcube totally gets me. It's got only 2watts, but it gets you enough noise. On a really big pluss, it works for a couple of hours with nothing but batteries (if you wanna go on a little beach jam for example) and it has enough effects for me, phasers, flangers, distortions, acoustic simulation, tuning fork etc. And you can use headphones with it if you are living in a block apartment.

  • Minos
    • September 8, 2007 at 5:27 PM
    • #10

    Hell, get a Les Paul if you can. They are stylish and sound better than standard electric guitars.

    I have a Strato but I just can't get arsed to play it, specialy because I ain't got an amp. SonicDM told me there's a cord to plug it into the pc and some softwares to emulate distortion and stuff... I should go look for it.

  • KoKo5oVaR
    • September 8, 2007 at 5:56 PM
    • #11

    If you want to go for an electric guitar frie, go for an electric guitar. I think there's no problem beginning on it especially because that will directly introduce you to all the effects for electrics and plectrum playing which is harder than playing with your fingers, but yeah that can be frustrating.

    To start i would recommend a stratocaster, mostly because a stratocaster can be really polyvalent, you can play a lot of kind of music styles with it, so that will let you some time to try some different things.

    edit : and yeah especially if you want to play punk rock

    So maybe you can find a cheap stratocaster, i got mine : 180 euros

    An ampli 110 watts should be enough, you don't want to do concerts already , look if it has some basic effects like overdrive, equalizer, maybe distorsion why not : 80 euros

    Plectrums : 5 euros

    And maybe an electronic accorder to start : 25 euros

  • Psyshokiller
    • September 8, 2007 at 6:14 PM
    • #12

    Been looking for Stratocaster prizes some time ago and I didn't find anything that got near 180€. Are there any differences between versions of it, that could change the prize so much? (guitar noob here)

  • kleinluka
    • October 2, 2007 at 4:38 PM
    • #13

    Woops i'm late

    For starters I would recommend a "VOX Pathfinder" amplifier. 10 watt should be enough to get you going. As for what guitar you should buy. A Les Paul is a high quality guitar and very expensive. For starting a Fender Strat should do. You can still 'upgrade' later

    One guitar you might want to look at a later point is the Gibson SG. I think it would really fit your style of music. It's expensive but awesome.

    It looks like this... I think this is actually the guitar they used as reference for guitar hero in terms of shape

    [Blocked Image: http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/db9153d82723b35d8bc12ecf2f90fc52.jpg]

  • Pongles
    • October 3, 2007 at 12:00 PM
    • #14

    just a few tid-bits ...

    Do you have any friends (in RL) that play? If so, talk to them about it, and have a little fun their guitars and see what you think.

    If you decide to go for it ... don't go out any buy a real Les Paul or w/e straight away, get a "good" fake.

    Also Min0 ...

    Quote

    I have a Strato but I just can't get arsed to play it, specialy because I ain't got an amp. SonicDM told me there's a cord to plug it into the pc and some softwares to emulate distortion and stuff... I should go look for it.

    you're looking for virtuAMP ...

    http://nemesis.thewavelength.net/index.php?p=51

    ... but you'll need a 6.25mm to 3.5mm adapter.

  • Thrik
    • October 3, 2007 at 12:15 PM
    • #15

    I can't give any advice grounded in experience, but I've heard a number of people I know say that Yamaha Pacifica guitars are very good value for beginners.

  • FrieChamp
    • October 3, 2007 at 12:53 PM
    • #16

    Thanks for the advice guys. I also asked a RL friend of mine and he will supply me with some links for further education before I go to the store.

  • KoKo5oVaR
    • October 3, 2007 at 2:51 PM
    • #17

    Seriously go to the store with your friend, that's what i did. It's an harsh world for beginners, some guitar sellers are fucking hungry raptors

  • Metal-la-la-la
    • October 6, 2007 at 5:45 AM
    • #18

    rule N°1: if you want to play e-guitar, buy an e-guitar... and a guitar that you like (shape, colour, sound, etc...) because if you don't buy something that you like, you'll soon get bored and won't buy it...

    When you buy your guitar, pay attention to the woods used to build it. It's VERY important as the wood is what will "taint" your sound. Search on google to see what are the various sounds of the various woods.

    I would also recommend you buy an e-guitar with a whammy bar, you'll have much more fun with it, but it will be longer/harder to tune, but if you have (and you must have) and tool to tune it (sorry, i don't rknow the english name of this tool). It's cheap (aprrox. 15€) and will saves a lot of your time.

    rule N°2: when you'll buy it, ask to test. Of course, as you don't know how to play guitar, you won't play on it, but just slide your fingers on the neck to see if there's nothing which could hurt your hand / fingers, like for example, some frets (the little metal bar on the neck) that would be a bit too long (that's what happened to me)

    In my opinion, you should forget the Les Paul shape: not well balanced, very heavy, crap shape to play while sitting (everybody will tell you these shapes hurts when you try to play while sitting) and anyway, i don't look "punk rock"

    For your amp, i have a 30W spider-II from line6 and it's absolutely perfect to practice at home. you won't do any concert, so 30W is way enough. These amps have all the effects you need to play punk rock and they aren't very expensive, and line 6 is anyway a (very) good brand

    For the pick, it's a matter of taste.... i personally use a medium one and another one made of wood

    If you need any other information, don't hesitate to ask

  • BioPulse
    • October 8, 2007 at 11:34 AM
    • #19

    Add me on msn, i can help you out a bit , igive guitar lessons to begining guitarists in my neighbourhood, i'm no pro but i can help you get started on learning the basics (chords, basic scales modes,finger positioning, relaxation excersizes, speed training, memorizing tecniques, basic blues, metal, jazz, classical/neo-classical music maybe some more advanced stuff if you're already familiar with those things) and starting to create your own sound / music.

    born2shred 'at' gmail.com (shit now this addy sounds even more cheesy lmao)

  • FrieChamp
    • October 12, 2007 at 7:29 PM
    • #20

    I bought my equipment today

    I picked a cherry Epiphone Gibson SG:

    [Blocked Image: http://www.musik-meisinger.de/1/images/SG-CLASSIC-P90-HC.jpg]

    The amp is a Vox Valvetronix 15 W amp, I was first gonna buy a Marshall 30W amp, but the Vox one had more features and 15W should be enough for my room.

    Thanks for the help dudes

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