Competition: HL2DM 1024-unit Official Entries

    Rick D I think that you have the best intentions of seeing that each level is graded on multiple categories. Thats great. But as it is right now there is no way for us to easily vote for each map. Further there is no list of judges who are responsible for judging. Each judge should honestly be from the community who has been here over an extended period of time, contributed to the forum in some way, and has routinely produced work that makes him worthy of judging others work. The moderators are currently discussing ideas for how to run contests as well as how to judge them, vote for them, ect. When the new version of the forum is released it'll make life easier for everyone involved.

    That being said I think it'll be easier for all parties involved to just do a normal thread poll to vote a community decided winner. There will not be any prizes. Strongly suggest people use their opinions of layout and gameplay to sway their votes and be done with it. Its now almost two weeks this contest has been concluded.

    Thats my opinion~!

    ps. mike it actually might be nice if mapcore can host the eventual map pack as its associated with the forums. I doubt it would take THAT much bandwidth but it would help consolidate the hard work the forum members have contributed. Thoughts?

    I don't have a problem with it at all, I have no say in it really - it's just a shame to see it done the usual way of voting with polls which are probably worse than using random judges

    Whatever you see as being easiest - one thing does spring to mind for a mappack though - there are some maps that simply don't cut it; so someone has to become hated and decide which of those don't make it in.

    i vote for ferret ;D

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    ps. mike it actually might be nice if mapcore can host the eventual map pack as its associated with the forums. I doubt it would take THAT much bandwidth but it would help consolidate the hard work the forum members have contributed. Thoughts?

    torrent?

    Personally I think people who take their time out to at least give the maps a try on the given server they're set on should be judges as is. Ferret, your suggestion is quite elitist.

    I also believe that gameplay is the same in a given map whether or you are a skilled mapper or a newbie at it. As a mapper, your job is to "sell" your work because it looks good, and is enjoyable to play. Having people judging the contest who are "above" playing it or higher in the industry proves nothing. In the end, this contest wasn't made for the people producing games/mods/etc., it was made for the public, of whom the majority knows nothing about modding.

    My 2 cents

    Maybe someone could code a simple php page with the rating system ? I doesn't really need to be embedded into the forums imo.

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    Personally I think people who take their time out to at least give the maps a try on the given server they're set on should be judges as is. Ferret, your suggestion is quite elitist. I also believe that gameplay is the same in a given map whether or you are a skilled mapper or a newbie at it. As a mapper, your job is to "sell" your work because it looks good, and is enjoyable to play. Having people judging the contest who are "above" playing it or higher in the industry proves nothing. In the end, this contest wasn't made for the people producing games/mods/etc., it was made for the public, of whom the majority knows nothing about modding.

    My 2 cents

    My opinion was to open the polls to anyone who has played the maps. If you've played the maps then you get to vote. This would be honor based. However if we were going to have judges, the judges would indeed be people who have been in the community and contributed work that shows that they understand their field.

    A mappers job is to make it enjoyable THEN make it look good. No where did I say that if we go the route of instated judges that they must be professional. I do however suggest they have experience so they understand the mechanics of level design. That, is a valuable judging skill.

    The contest was made in a public level design forum by and for level designers. Public may play it yes, but the people who are judging the maps are designers at heart. I'd hope that at least 90% of the people at mapcore know something about modding.

    On a side note, there are 16 entries which seem to be too large for the forum polls. I'm asking mojo to look into it but he's a working man. Bear with us.

    well maybe, if i have some sparetime ill make something, not that hard, but integrate with the forum, that would take a bit more time

    maybe you didn't use the word proffesional, but I didn't say proffesionals should judge it either. What I was referring to was this:

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    Each judge should honestly be from the community who has been here over an extended period of time, contributed to the forum in some way, and has routinely produced work that makes him worthy of judging others work.

    My point was that even people with no modding experience can give off good opinions, especially when the people here are aiming at working proffesionally in the industry. Constructive criticism would give the contest entrants looks of how people outside the modding communities look at things. Hopefully those same level designers will remember what taught to them when one day making games proffesionally.

    Again, this is just my opinion.

    You could also make a mixed judge base; like 50% of the judges are veteran level designers (or other modders), 50% are people whose experience with modding in general is somewhat limited. It wouldn't be hard to ask some casual/hardcore gamers that play if they want to test so and so.

    Just a suggestion.

    Zete/Zeke: You didn't add your name to the title of your map in the format I stated so I put your name on the poll and the front page to the best of my rememberence.

    PS_Mouse: My User Error: Correction, I did it right. Something on the forums is messing it up and adding it twice. I dont know what the issue is. I'll bug mojo.

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    also why is my name apparently zeke

    lzolz

    I gotta give this one to Reno, he did a fantastic job in my opinion, and while I like almost every map I tested in their own way (and comparing arist to work was especially fascinating, rocketsilo was a real step up, cool stuff Nexus) I think that it came down my affinity for green and how solid the design in weaver feels. Very coherent and very unified which design wise makes it feel so much larger than it is.

    Awesome work everyone. Seriously cool

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