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don't forget my project, and freedoom too, lol

the games that won't run on linux at all through any compatibility or emulation are probably horrible games in the first place. Great bad game filter indeed!

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the games that won't run on linux at all through any compatibility or emulation are probably horrible games in the first place. Great bad game filter indeed!

Indeed. Because their very bad written

Wfr, Sindwiller

CSS?

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CSS?

You wanna say Steam is written good?

Well, CSS works very well, both on Wine and Cedega.

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3731 <-- Wine

http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/vi ... me_id=3524 <-- Cedega

Wfr, Sindwiller

I'm not really sure what the incentive to use Linux is. I understand that it's a fairly well-developed operating system, but what makes it special? What does it have over Windows and OS X, both of which are extremely comfortable operating systems that for most people never have any significant stability/speed issues? Yeah, they did in the past, but that's not an issue.

For the sake of this argument, "it is free" is not a valid answer since if I'm going to spend almost endless hours on a system for both leisure and professional work, I'm prepared to spend a bit of cash on it. Also, I don't want to hear any "It can do X just like Windows/OS X!" answers since I can just carry on using Windows or OS X for that.

I'm being serious here btw and am prepared to listen to any equally serious answers.

This thread remembers me that i recently downloaded a knoppix live cd-rom to test out linux. I heard these live cd-roms are cool to recover data from your harddrive if windows has gone mental.

No spyware?

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I'm not really sure what the incentive to use Linux is.

Uh... complete and total control of your operating system?

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I can recommend Ubuntu but since Dapper, it started to get unstable.

No problems here. Dapper runs like a champ on my machine compared to Hoary (never tried Breezy)

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Linux and Windows are usually so similar these days anways.

No. Just... no.

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oh and getting wireless to work on a laptop is annoying.

Not with Dapper. Instant detection for mine.

the main reason for my dual installation is windows for gaming and modding, linux for everything else. Since we use debian an our university labs, I can ssh straight into the labs straight through the command line without the need for a bunch of poorly coded windows shells that try to do the same thing.

Unless I'm programming in .NET, all my programming is done on linux (sad part is I'm required by my job to do more .NET programming these days. Had to start modding the Doom 3 sdk to remember what C++ felt like [Mmm-Mmm, memory management. Damn virtual machines have spoiled me.])

heh...wine

not feeling that too much...the games I did manage to get working on wine got like 20 fps where they normally got 80 in windows. i agree that there are a lot of interesting games that run on linux...that being said you wont be able to play 95% of newly released games. Coded well or not I still want to be able to play the latest games.

seriously though there are a lot of innovative puzzle/thinking/independent types games that I can't badmouth. you CAN stay entertained on a linux machine...but call me stubborn I want to play battlefield 2.

I'd rather just have a mac as an alternative to windows. At least that has warcraft.

This is the moment where dualboot is very useful

Wfr, Sindwiller

"Complete control of your operating system"?

So it is indeed as I originally suspected: Linux is simply designed for control freaks and efficiency-obsessed programmers.

"control freaks"? What should i control of? A KI? Hello? I just want a operating system who does not just frickin' makes something what i dont know. I want just a operating system, who cant be infected (ok, honestly, Linux can be infected, but only very hard) by viruses and spyware.

Wfr, Sindwiller

But the simple answer to that is to be an intelligent user. I've not had a virus hit my machine in years, and I'd imagine the same goes for anyone else who knows how to use a computer properly.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Squirrel gave the argument "you have complete control" and my post was in response to that.

Even non-intelligent users can't infect a linux computer with spyware and viruses.

Also Ubuntu is a rather user-friendly distro as well as KDE being a rather user-friendly GUI, so what's the "hard core user" excuse there?

whatever...lets just put it this way

windows + firefox = my mom hasn't gotten a virus or spyware yet...and she has no idea what the fuck shes doing.

I'm still not seeing any hard incentives to use Linux. And if you're going to keep using the virus/spyware thing, can I please refer you back to my original post?

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I'm not really sure what the incentive to use Linux is. I understand that it's a fairly well-developed operating system, but what makes it special? What does it have over Windows and OS X, both of which are extremely comfortable operating systems that for most people never have any significant stability/speed issues?

OS X is about as user friendly and secure as a commerical OS gets, and there is a lot of good software for it now. The only downside is shit game support, but let's discard that for now since you can always dual boot. I won't hold it against Linux either. :wink:

if you're still getting viruses/spyware its time to just stop using computers

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Even non-intelligent users can't infect a linux computer with spyware and viruses.

Non-intelligent Users (even Windows Users) dont touch the user management. So, they wont work as root though. And intelligent users who are aware of the user management and the danger, who comes with using root, will even not think about, to touch something.

Almost the same thing under Windows: Non-intelligent users work as Administrator, with thousands of anti-spyware and anti-virus programs, who just steal performance and intelligent users, who are very, very rare under Windows, work as normal user and when they need to do something with admin rights, they use "start as" or a "MakeMeAdmin"-Script (like me).

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OS X is about as user friendly and secure as a commerical OS gets, and there is a lot of good software for it now. The only downside is shit game support, but let's discard that for now since you can always dual boot. I won't hold it against Linux either.

It costs too much and i can get the same kind of security and under-the-hood techniques with a Darwin-Distribution (eg. GNU-Darwin) and a PPC-System (x86 still makes problems though). Where's the point?

Wfr, Sindwiller

So other than being free (which isn't really a concern for someone who does a lot of work on a computer and is prepared to pay for the best possible experience), there's really not much incentive for someone who isn't interested in all the under-the-hood stuff to use Linux.

I get the general impression that Linux is more for tweak maniacs and those who love absolute control (as someone else said earlier). But really, the market of people who don't want that and simply desire an operating system that works beautifully for them from the get-go is a lot larger.

That's why Apple's admittedly pompous (at least in the latest ads) but truthful "it works out of the box" advertising mantra is working so well right now. I think this lack of wanting to configure/control everything is something that many die-hard Linux users really can't really get their head around.