England ranks Alcohol and Tobaco more dangerous then LSD

    This is a step in the right direction, I think.

    For people to be able to take any message about drugs seriously, it needs to based on factual, objective information of the substance's real harmful effects.

    Not exaggerated propaganda intended only to scare, and not enlighten.

    There are real adverse effects associated with the consumption of any psychoactive substance, and people need to make their choices about their lives based on this knowledge, not cultural taboo.

    This list is a little strange although it is a step in the right direction.

    It misses some important drugs and is in some spots not logical.

    Where is meth? it should share number 1 together with heroine.

    Where is crack? its also a candidate for number 1.

    Why is ketamine even in this list and at such a top spot? The drug is so seldom and its safer then other dissoziative drugs.

    Bezodiazepines belong on a top place of the list. A shitload of people are addicted to that stuff. Like heroine it makes a extrem physical and psychical addiction and can end deadly.

    16 Deaths of cannabis? WTF?? There is no known case of a person who died of a cannais overdose. If at all people die of the nicotine.

    Solvents less dangerous then cannabis? Tell this the street kids who die of that crap around the globe.

    Ecstasy less dangerous then Liquid? Another illogicaly in the list.

    Tobaco and Alcohol are still too low in the list. Both drugs are the deadliest and have the worst influence on society.

    Less people would die of heroine btw if it wasnt a unclean illegal street drug. Clean heroine is as 'safe' as other hard drugs. Most people die of the crap that is mixed with it or die of unwanted overdoses when they are used to bad stuff and then get good stuff without being warned about it.

    Umm, i didn't completely understand what was the meaning of those "classes" but if alcohol is marked more dangerous than anabolic steroids i can only laugh at this.

    Of course alcohol is marked one of the most dangerous drug for individuals and society because it's much more used than lsd and such. This rank means nothing to me, impossible to compare.

    "Scientific evidence", come on.. really. Are these "scientists" from netherlands or what's going on in there? :roll:

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    Umm, i didn't completely understand what was the meaning of those "classes" but if alcohol is marked more dangerous than anabolic steroids i can only laugh at this.Of course alcohol is marked one of the most dangerous drug for individuals and society because it's much more used than lsd and such. This rank means nothing to me, impossible to compare.

    "Scientific evidence", come on.. really. Are these "scientists" from netherlands or what's going on in there? :roll:

    You have to remember that alcohol is not beer, whiskey or vodka. Pure alcohol is deadly.

    Crack= cocaine that has not been neutralized by an acid.

    Meth = an amphetamine.

    Cocaine and ampehtamines are both in the list :roll:

    Guys you arent scientists, youre not even dutch so you have no idea what your talking about :roll:

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    Crack= cocaine that has not been neutralized by an acid.Meth = an amphetamine.

    Cocaine and ampehtamines are both in the list :roll:

    Crack is the freebase of cocaine. Still its not the same drug. Thats like saying wine berries and wine are the same. Crack is more addictive and kicks harder.

    Meth = Methamphetamine not amphetamines. Again you try to say that wine berries and wine are the same. The effects of Meth last longer, its more addictive and a dose is much smaller then a amphetamine dose.

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    you have no idea what your talking about

    I know many drugs first hand, have read tons of stuff about them. Also i know many drug addicted persons.

    Alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than cannabis. It's been studied and proven for a long time now.

    When was the last time you heard of someone dying of a weed overdose? Alcohol OD? Death from cigarettes?

    I don't smoke weed, but I think it should be legalized.

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    Alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than cannabis. It's been studied and proven for a long time now.

    Well, alcohol and tabacco are making more physical damage than cannabis. But, cannabis (and alcohol too) are destroying brain wards, where a overdosis alcohol can lead to deception, paralysis and bad body coordination. And where a overdosis cannabis can lead to psychosis, schizophrenia etc. I saw that on my brother

    Wfr, Sindwiller

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    And where a overdosis cannabis can lead to psychosis, schizophrenia etc. I saw that on my brother

    Psychiatric clinics are full with alcohol addicts who had a delirium and have serious mental problems. Alsohol can also lead to psychosis.

    I knew two people aswell who had cannabis induced psychosis. But they were all hardcore stoners before they developed symptoms. They are not representative for the average stoner and the usual effects of cannabis.

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    Crack is the freebase of cocaine. Still its not the same drug. Thats like saying wine berries and wine are the same. Crack is more addictive and kicks harder.

    Meth = Methamphetamine not amphetamines. Again you try to say that wine berries and wine are the same. The effects of Meth last longer, its more addictive and a dose is much smaller then a amphetamine dose.

    you have no idea what your talking about

    I know many drugs first hand, have read tons of stuff about them. Also i know many drug addicted persons.

    Meth is an amphetamine, just like wild berries are fruit.

    Lol stepp you have no idea what youre talking about do you? :roll:

    In plain english, why would scientists put wild berries on a list when it already has FRUIT on it? Why would they put crack on it when it has cocaine already on there?

    Don't get me wrong, cannabis can have some negative side effects if abused, but right now, statistically, alcohol and tobacco are far more dangerous.

    When you think about it, just about anything can be abused. I can get obsessive about ice cream and end up obese with many related health problems and phsycological problems.

    Quote from RD

    Meth is an amphetamine, just like wild berries are fruit.Lol stepp you have no idea what youre talking about do you? :roll:

    In plain english, why would scientists put wild berries on a list when it already has FRUIT on it? Why would they put crack on it when it has cocaine already on there?

    RD it is chemicaly correct that methamphetamines and amphetamines belong to one family. But it is just wrong to say they are the same drug. Same goes for crack and cocaine.

    Take Psylocibin for example (the hallucinogenic thats within magic mushrooms). Change the molecule only a little and you get Serotonine.

    With your logic all people would be on a mushroom trip all the time. But you will agree with me that there is a big difference between normal reality and tripping.

    In a list like this generalization of drug groups is just wrong. as said above meth for example is much more addicting as amphetamines and belongs on a higher place in the list for this.

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    Take Psylocibin for example (the hallucinogenic thats within magic mushrooms). Change the molecule only a little and you get Serotonine.

    Worst example ever. Going like that I could say that Germanium is a deadly element, but you have to change the atom a little bit and add a proton....

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    Worst example ever. Going like that I could say that Germanium is a deadly element, but you have to change the atom a little bit and add a proton....

    No its not a bad example since psylocibin only works on human mind due to its closeness to Serotonine. :roll:

    It's so typical that in drug discussions people think they are experts who in fact have no glue what they are talking about. No offence. Its just an observation.

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