Quote from PolarisThat would just remove the exuses for war. The wars would still be fought for the same reasons they have always been truly fought for. War predates civilization, nations and organized religion, we have been waging it for much longer than we would like to believe.
true, there is probably a deeper cause of war within humans.
Must be something primal, because it's not just humans that wage wars. And I'm not talking about aliens 
Humans just need to hate something.
Quote from The PostmanYou still haven't drawn a correlation at all. You're trying to inject something that has no bearing on the domestic policies of the US. Get out of this thread and cease the trolling.
but he has, and I agree with RD... you said that if someone would like to burn your flag "who cares".
Why doesnt this apply to drawing cartoons? Country? religion? its still basically just a bunch of people having something in common thats beeing stepped on.
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Quote from The PostmanYou still haven't drawn a correlation at all. You're trying to inject something that has no bearing on the domestic policies of the US. Get out of this thread and cease the trolling.
The correlation in plain english, is that defending the freedom to criticise your government while oppressing the freedom to criticise Islam , is hypocrite. And why do you do it? Can you answer, why is it forbidden to criticise Islam? Is it absolutely perfect then? I can tell you matey [Blocked Image: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8959/loveit5nr.gif] there are about 27 hotzones around the globe that disagree with that!
Quote from The PostmanHowever, Islam is an ancient faith that goes beyond national borders and effects many people regardless of nationality, race or heritage. Burning its articles is a bit more personal and offensive than someone torching any flag.
This explanation is plain discriminative, since it has no valid arguments. Why is it more offensive to an individual if his religion crosses borders, has more worshippers, more races or is older? He only lives in one country, he is only one person, he is only one race and he has only lived as long as any of us. All of these explanations give no justification to being more violent about values. It is a desperate attempt to be politically correct while sacrificing courageous heroes such as the authors of the muhammed cartoons.
The real reason you respect Islam is that worshippers stand up for its values. And the reason why many of them dont respect your values, is because you let them be burned. You dont care about them untill it reaches congress, and in the meantime you backstab the heroes of the telemark that defend the future your children will have to live in
Quote from Skjalgbut he has, and I agree with RD... you said that if someone would like to burn your flag "who cares".
Why doesnt this apply to drawing cartoons? Country? religion? its still basically just a bunch of people having something in common thats beeing stepped on.
Domestic. Policy. I can't make this any simpler. 
Quote from RDno rly dooods the whole islam cartoon thing has bearing here for rls
There is still no bearing here on what's going on in the US with the failed flag burning ammendment. For whatever reason you're still trying to inject this shit into something completely different. Domestic policy regarding a national symbol != domestic policy regarding a non-state entity's religious symbols.
Quote from The PostmanThere is still no bearing here on what's going on in the US with the failed flag burning ammendment. For whatever reason you're still trying to inject this shit into something completely different. Domestic policy regarding a national symbol != domestic policy regarding a non-state entity's religious symbols.
There is actual correlation. I know that a flag isnt a koran, but why is one superior to the other? Why does the freedom to burn something or not depend on the amount of violence that it triggers?
What you are suggesting is nothing less than accepting your role as slave in your own country.
RD, do you even read what you post?
Quote from RDThere is actual correlation. I know that a flag isnt a koran, but why is one superior to the other?
Other than the means of destruction there is no correlation since the two are completely different subjects. One is a national symbol the other is a religious artifact.
Quote from RDWhat you are suggesting is nothing less than accepting your role as slave in your own country.
What the fuck are you on about? Seriously.
Quote from The PostmanOther than the means of destruction there is no correlation since the two are completely different subjects. One is a national symbol the other is a religious artifact.
Doh... one is a flag and one isnt. You can keep repeating it or answer the question. Why is a religious symbol more respectworthy than any other symbol that ppl add value to?
If i attached great value to my special marble, would you respect it more than your own american flag?
Quote from RDhurrr
Let me carve out the operative words:
National
Religious
A flag is a national symbol to the people of a nation. Having a national law against something of national importance (perceived or otherwise) is inherently different.
A religious symbol is a matter to the people of that religion. It is an extra-state entity with no bearing on a nation's laws unless that nation is a theocracy.
Do you have any idea about the difference between domestic policy, nation-states and religious entities? These two things have. no. fucking. bearing. on each other.
Quote from The PostmanDisplay MoreLet me carve out the operative words:
National
Religious
A flag is a national symbol to the people of a nation. Having a national law against something of national importance (perceived or otherwise) is inherently different.
A religious symbol is a matter to the people of that religion. It is an extra-state entity with no bearing on a nation's laws unless that nation is a theocracy.
Do you have any idea about the difference between domestic policy, nation-states and religious entities? These two things have. no. fucking. bearing. on each other.
Still the same answer: one is a flag, and one isnt. It doesnt answer the question mate. Why do you place one above the other? They both represent a culture and its values. Im not saying you should explode in fury when the flag is burned, but you must expect the same tolerance from others in your own country, even if their religion crosses borders.
You expect it from christians, not to go on riots when a bible is torn apart somewhere, you expect it from evrybody not to riot or be violent for whatever reason, even your own government when they see its flag burning, but you dont expect it from muslims. Do your laws only count for white men?
Did you know, there was a shocking increase of 33% in the last year of flag burning incidents in the United States? They're up from 3 to 4!
In a time when the United States is facing many problems like the War in Iraq and immigration, Congress is focusing on election year pandering like gay marriage and flag burning. Shows you why this is called the "Do Nothing Congress".
I'd be more pissed if I saw someone burn a book written by my uncle than someone burning the norwegian flag.
As I learned as a kid, if you swap your flag against the ground, you are suppose to burn it, and not throw it in the trash (well you weren't suppose to cheer about burning it, but you get the point).
There are wrose things to burn than a peice of cloth.
Whats wrong with the ground? The ground is perfectly fine!
You norwegians got something against the ground!? 
o-i-c. You norse bastards are always sailing around in your longboats. Got no time for the ground except when you need to spill blood on it!
That really ticks me off!
Sorry but I have not slept in 30 hours or so.
It's more of a thing that when you have a flag, you wear it high up in the air, and not sob it against the ground.
Not sure if it's true or what, cause I've never burned no flag (but I never sobbed it along the ground).
Ya, I know. I was just being a moron.
Quote from RDStill the same answer: one is a flag, and one isnt. It doesnt answer the question mate.
Yes it does. Thoroughly.
Quote from RDWhy do you place one above the other? They both represent a culture and its values.
One is a domestic issue of national importance and the other is a non-state issue of religious importance. Now you're just being obtuse.
Quote from RDBluh blah blah bleh omg persecution of christians or some other stupid shit
Where do you get this shit? Do you just channel dead crazy people or what?
Quote from The PostmanOne is a domestic issue of national importance and the other is a non-state issue of religious importance. Now you're just being obtuse.
Again, the same answer: one is a religious symbol and the other isnt. And again, the same question for you: why is a religious symbol more important than a symbol representing other values?
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