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ESRB, Oblivion...let the debate rage!

  • Izuno
  • May 3, 2006 at 10:00 PM
  • Izuno
    • May 3, 2006 at 10:00 PM
    • #1

    http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12604

    Quote

    The Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) has just sent word that the rating assigned to Bethesda's and 2K Games' The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has been changed from T (Teen 13+) to M (Mature 17+). "The content causing the ESRB to change the rating involves more detailed depictions of blood and gore than were considered in the original rating, as well as the presence of a locked-out art file or 'skin' that, if accessed through a third party modification to the PC version of the game, allows the user to play with topless versions of female characters," said the ESRB in a release.

    "In line with its mission to inform consumers about the age-suitability and content of computer and video games, this ESRB Parent Advisory has been issued to ensure that parents who have purchased this game are immediately notified of the rating change," the release continued. "Parents should also know that a patch for the PC version of the game that disables access to the file with the topless skin will be made available shortly. It will be posted in the near future at http://www.elderscrolls.com/. If parents have questions or concerns about the change in rating, they should contact their retailer."

    "Parents across the country depend on ESRB ratings every day to make sensible choices about the games they bring home for their families," said ESRB president Patricia Vance. "Rating changes are extraordinarily rare, but if ever one does occur, ESRB recognizes that parents must be made aware of the change as quickly as possible so they are certain to have the most current and accurate information."

    The locked out content is not accessible in the Xbox 360 version; however, the PC version will carry an additional content descriptor for Nudity until it can be re-mastered and released with the topless skin removed. It was, of course, a third-party modification that eventually led to the whole "Hot Coffee" scandal in GTA: San Andreas because it unlocked a mini sex game. Unlike this "skin" mod, though, the "Hot Coffee" mod didn't alter the game; it merely unlocked hidden content.

    The ESRB further warned, "It is increasingly important for parents to realize that PC games can be altered through the use of downloadable programs created by other players called 'mods' (short for modification), which are broadly available on the Internet and can change the content of a game. Since players create them, it is impossible for ESRB or any rating service to consider them in assigning a rating. However, some mods can alter a game in ways that may not be appropriate for younger players and may be inconsistent with the ESRB rating, so parents should be aware of their existence and, as always, do their best to monitor their child's gameplay."

    YOU! DISCUSS!

  • Polaris
    • May 3, 2006 at 10:05 PM
    • #2

    Thats stupid. Why not just give every game a M rating?

    Most of them can have that kind of stuff too if some horny losers somewhere actually took the time to do this crap.

  • KoKo5oVaR
    • May 3, 2006 at 10:41 PM
    • #3

    [Blocked Image: http://kokosovar.free.fr/oblivion.jpg]

  • Campaignjunkie
    • May 3, 2006 at 10:46 PM
    • #4

    Ha, I remember that part... A little surprising, to say the least.

  • Furyo
    • May 3, 2006 at 10:52 PM
    • #5

    I read somewhere that a patch had to include a change to the horse's skin so its arsehole wouldn't show....I don' t have the game so I don't know if it's true, but nothing would surprise me anymore.... After all it's possible to have a topless Lara Croft in the last TR as well (and perfectly modelled as well with tits and all, not just a texture)

  • Section_Ei8ht
    • May 3, 2006 at 11:09 PM
    • #6
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    Parents across the country depend on ESRB ratings every day to make sensible choices about the games they bring home for their families

    no. In most cases they buy whatever their bratty little bastards nag them to buy, and then get all pissed when they find out its "bad". I'm not saying all, I'm saying most.

    And horses have assholes. If a kid can go to a petting zoo and look at a pony's asshole, why can't he play a videogame and look at a pony's asshole? (in theory, although I'm sure there are some kids out there with pony asshole fetishes [cough]mino[/cough])

  • The Postman
    • May 3, 2006 at 11:29 PM
    • #7

    BUY IT FOR ME MOM, COME ON, COME ON MOM, BUY IT FOR ME!

  • Furyo
    • May 3, 2006 at 11:45 PM
    • #8
    Quote from Section_Ei8ht

    Because ratings are so outdated they're not even funny. There's this part of me that always takes over in these debates, and it's the "any attempt against any form of art is punishable". So I don't exactly blame the ratings system only, I also blame the editors for pushing the devs to get rid of this or that just to get a better rating.

    I find things like this arsehole or the alleged 4*4 tits texture of GTA Hot Coffee mod extremely stupid.

  • Fletch
    • May 4, 2006 at 12:54 AM
    • #9

    Man, i really need to find some family friendly game and mod the hell out of it until it's all about nudity, violence, and Nazis.

    Maybe one of those Backyard Baseball games.....

  • Grinwhrl
    • May 4, 2006 at 1:14 AM
    • #10

    If I were 13 I would have found the game hard. But then again I would have loved it just that much better too.

  • Gaz
    • May 4, 2006 at 1:16 AM
    • #11

    Lol, who gives a monkeys about boobs in a game, ffs sex and the human body is natural.

    Letting your child watch an 18 is far far worse than a game thats rated 18...

  • KungFuSquirrel
    • May 4, 2006 at 1:28 AM
    • #12

    The gore level in the game, whether in severed heads on pikes, blood spatters, dangling corpses, etc. is definitely into M territory; how it got by in the first place was a mystery to me.

    Everyone plays by the same rules; if we're going to point clueless parents at the ESRB as their golden guideline to know what is recommended for kids of their age, then they need to make sure games don't slip through their own ratings criteria, and publishers need to show a wide enough slice of the game to accurately represent what's there.

    The whole re-ratings thing is annoying, plus the focus on nudity over violence, but let's face it - by the standards of every other game I own, I bought an M-rated title.

  • user
    • May 4, 2006 at 4:29 AM
    • #13

    where's that at KoKo5oVaR?

    Fletch, do it.

  • KoKo5oVaR
    • May 4, 2006 at 4:33 AM
    • #14

    This is almost the end of the dark brotherhood quests, but i won't spoil anything

  • user
    • May 4, 2006 at 5:50 AM
    • #15

    ah k, I'm working on that quest strand atm.

  • Kedhrin
    • May 4, 2006 at 6:45 AM
    • #16

    so...

    if we make a big deal about the sims nude patch that even put the naked skins in...

    would the sims go to M rating? I'd love to see the esrb pull that on ea games.

  • JAL
    • May 4, 2006 at 8:51 AM
    • #17

    this is just ridiculous

    I wonder if I make a 3rd party program for GTA that replaces guns with lollipops and blood with ice cream, they will change the age limit for it.

    Shouldn't it work both ways? :roll:

  • Mazy
    • May 4, 2006 at 9:15 AM
    • #18

    So tired...

    I wonder when there's gonna come some law that states that its not the game developer's or publishers fault when people mod games these ways. Now that I think about it I find it amazing it hasnt happend more often before San Andreas.

    Anyway, so tired...

  • Kedhrin
    • May 5, 2006 at 8:27 AM
    • #19

    This is what i said on a myspace group--->

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    The thing with Oblivion and the ESRB has sparked a rage in me that I am finding hard to contain.They are going after MODs made to games. They should know that any single game can be moded. Art assets especially. I believe the ESRB should system in place instead of slapping an M on a game. Whenever they do this, they cost a developer millions of dollars by an entire market range lost. It is the ESRBs job when they first release it to make sure they rate it right.

    Now, Oblivion and GTA:SA did really well and are still doing well. The problem is that the sims 2 has FULLY NUDE (not just tits mind you, but penis, vagina, even gooch) models made by the community. I come from the MOD community and I can tell you this makes me pissed. This is going to make developers that want a T rating be afraid of letting people MOD their games.

    I'm going to find a childrens game even and put hot sweaty, steamy sex scenes all over it. I'm going to get a barbie game and turn it into a porn shop. This kind of thing pisses me off. How dare they think they can do this kind of thing? these mods are not the developers work. the developers did not release the game with this content. it is not the GAME it is a MODIFIED GAME.

    I think they had to do something with MMO's they need to do something with this. If you notice T rated MMO's say "Experience may change during Online Play". They need to do that with MODs. Something, other than saying 'oh fuck you developers we fucked up but we're going to blame it on you.'

    srsly.

    SERIOUSLY.

    kthx

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  • ReNo
    • May 5, 2006 at 8:33 PM
    • #20

    I think the point was that the content shipped with the game, it was just "locked" and required something to unlock it. They can't do anything about mods changing things - you can't accomodate for that on the age ratings on the box - but if something comes with the game (ie. sex minigame in GTA, topless skins in Oblivion) then they can. Even if it does require a mod to unlock it seems.

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