9/11 - some scientific stuff to think about it

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    You guys know that there are phone calls made to the plane while they are attacking the terrorist pilots right? That there are recordings of the terrorists themselves saying there is a bomb on the plane, from within the cockpit? That the plane didnt completely disintegrate and that nobody saw a missile?

    Funny enough, the chances of a cell phone to work in such altitudes were minimum at that time (not to say impossible). And if you saw the video stepp posted, one of the alleged passengers phoned his mum and left a message. He starts with something like "Hy mum, this is john smith" (who phones his own mum and say his full name ?) Anyways, it's very suspicious at least.

    Just to add to the whole conspiracy theory:

    I remember some strange things the brazilian reporters said live:

    "Apparently a truck bomb has just exploded in the pentagon"

    And then, 3 or 4 hours after the WTC collapsed they invited an engineer who was on the WTC area and he said it was nearly impossible for the towers to collapse with only the planes crash and the subsequent fire.

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    they didnt fly the plane at low level, they crashed it. o m g

    Sorry, my mistake, they were obviously flying it at high level into the first floor.

    Edit: As for planes flying themselves, sure they can do it. But they are programmed before takeoff (I dunno, do the pilots do it, or some technicians?) either way I doubt they programmed that plane to fly into the Pentagon. So that means the "bad guys" did it, these people that could barely fly Cessna's manage to program a 757 to fly...

    Sure its possible...but the amount of "what if" that happened that day is hard to believe.

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    Just to add to the whole conspiracy theory:I remember some strange things the brazilian reporters said live:

    "Apparently a truck bomb has just exploded in the pentagon"

    And then, 3 or 4 hours after the WTC collapsed they invited an engineer who was on the WTC area and he said it was nearly impossible for the towers to collapse with only the planes crash and the subsequent fire.

    you do know that brazil probably didn't have the same on-the-scene reporting that we have here in the US ya know, where the attacks happen? Everything you talk about in this thread smacks of an outsider's ignorance to the situation.

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    Sorry, my mistake, they were obviously flying it at high level into the first floor.

    Edit: As for planes flying themselves, sure they can do it. But they are programmed before takeoff (I dunno, do the pilots do it, or some technicians?) either way I doubt they programmed that plane to fly into the Pentagon. So that means the "bad guys" did it, these people that could barely fly Cessna's manage to program a 757 to fly...

    Sure its possible...but the amount of "what if" that happened that day is hard to believe.

    They "programmed" (pushed the autopilot button) the plane to hold its course and altitude after pointing it in the right direction manually. They switched off autopilot when they saw the pentagon and divebombed it. They couldnt barely fly Cessna's. They werent super dumb humans uncapable of learning from flightlessons. They trained on it for almost a decade, they were well prepared.

    When you evaporate a busy city block, there will be billions of unanswered questions and what ifs

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    The links you posted just prooved that planes don't desintegrate in crashes.

    are you fucking kidding me?

    that first one, two planes were on the runway, one hit the other, that is the result. all that is left of one is a wing, the second one has no tail at all. that is from a collision

    the second one hit some trees when going fast, torn to shreds.

    the third one, there is fucking nothing left, nothing at all, how many pieces do you see there? and it hit trees.

    the fourth shows how fire can melt away the entire top of the plane (note it was eventually extinguished and the whole fire goes up thing)

    the fifth shows how much explosive force there is in the fuel

    now think about the plane diving from the fucking sky right into the fucking ground. combine what happens when planes collide, when they crash into trees, when they catch on fire, and when they explode. the thing crashed straight into the fucking ground. how could there possibly be something left?

    kosmo, read what i wrote about all of them, they are different situations. of course there is going to be some of the plane left when it doesn't leave the ground and gets hit in one specific area, or when it goes on fire on a runway, or fails a landing. this crash is hugely different, in the worse way.

    But didn't their flight school instructors say they were all pretty crappy at flying Cessnas? Thats what I read in numerous papers as well as being plastered all over the internet.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/ ... 8656.shtml

    That instructor said he told agents that Hanjour was "a very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit." The instructor added, "Maybe his English wasn't very good."

    although other reports say his skills were "so bad." but like my conversation before, the plane will fly itself to where they want it. 99% of their piloting was the input of coordinates for the plane to fly itself. after that they just have to take over manually, keep it level and pointed at their target. they obviously were able to do it with the wtc.

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    you do know that brazil probably didn't have the same on-the-scene reporting that we have here in the US ya know, where the attacks happen? Everything you talk about in this thread smacks of an outsider's ignorance to the situation.

    Everything I fucking talked about in this fucking thread is what I noticed by myself. You have the exact outsider's ignorance as me. Or were you at the WTC or at the pentagon in 9/11 ?

    And this brazilian channel had on-the-scene-reporters, their NY offices were just a few blocks from the twin towers.

    @ Bic: Man, metal simply does not disappear/evaporate. I agree that nothing much would have been left. I mean, there wouldn't be large pieces of fuselage and stuff but there should still be a lot of debris and burned stuff, and not just a big hole in the ground. And if the explosion was THAT big the trees would have been burned too.

    In regards to the pentagon pilot: Why are you making things up ? Quote the entire shit man, and not just the last line.

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    They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad, they told the Associated Press, they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license."I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had," said Peggy Chevrette, the manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix.

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    "He didn't do his homework, didn't attend on time and he would sort of come and go," said Duncan Hastie of Cockpit Resource Management.

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    Chevrette said Hanjour's English was so poor that it took him five hours to complete a section of a mock pilot's oral exam that is supposed to last just a couple of hours.Chevrette said she contacted Anthony again when Hanjour began ground training for Boeing 737 jetliners and it became clear he didn't have the skills for the commercial pilot's license.

    "I don't truly believe he should have had it and I questioned that," she said.

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    you do know that brazil probably didn't have the same on-the-scene reporting that we have here in the US ya know, where the attacks happen? Everything you talk about in this thread smacks of an outsider's ignorance to the situation.

    Everything I fucking talked about in this fucking thread is what I noticed by myself. You have the exact outsider's ignorance as me. Or were you at the WTC or at the pentagon in 9/11 ?

    And this brazilian channel had on-the-scene-reporters, their NY offices were just a few blocks from the twin towers.

    @ Bic: Man, metal simply does not disappear/evaporate. I agree that nothing much would have been left. I mean, there wouldn't be large pieces of fuselage and stuff but there should still be a lot of debris and burned stuff, and not just a big hole in the ground. And if the explosion was THAT big the trees would have been burned too.

    In regards to the pentagon pilot: Why are you making things up ? Quote the entire shit man, and not just the last line.

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    They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad, they told the Associated Press, they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license."I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had," said Peggy Chevrette, the manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix.

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    "He didn't do his homework, didn't attend on time and he would sort of come and go," said Duncan Hastie of Cockpit Resource Management.

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    Chevrette said Hanjour's English was so poor that it took him five hours to complete a section of a mock pilot's oral exam that is supposed to last just a couple of hours.Chevrette said she contacted Anthony again when Hanjour began ground training for Boeing 737 jetliners and it became clear he didn't have the skills for the commercial pilot's license.

    "I don't truly believe he should have had it and I questioned that," she said.

    making things up? the quote i used was in the link, in addition, i provided the link, and i went on to quote the article which described his skills at one points as "so bad"

    Also the other thing that bugged me, don't know if they talked about it in the video (crap internet connection + big file = no) but the immense delay between the aircraft going off their paths/dissapearing and before sending jets up to go see what was going on.

    If I remember correctly, the average time it took before 9/11 was like 12 minutes from going off radar to having f15's in the air. That day it was like an hour...

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    Everything I fucking talked about in this fucking thread is what I noticed by myself. You have the exact outsider's ignorance as me. Or were you at the WTC or at the pentagon in 9/11 ?

    Yeah, it's your personal view. It's supported by crackpot analysis from disreputable sources and shot down by literally dozens of good articles and accounts all within this thread. Was I at the WTC or the Pentagon? Nope. Do I remember that day and getting stuck at an airport that was closed down because of the happenings that day? Yes. Do I remember the news reports right after the fact? Yes. Do I seemingly know more about the situation (ie: haven't taken a bunch of crap facts from a bunch of crap websites)? Yes.

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    And this brazilian channel had on-the-scene-reporters, their NY offices were just a few blocks from the twin towers.

    And they still got it wrong.

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    @ Bic: Man, metal simply does not disappear/evaporate.

    Yes it does. Hell you can even burn tinfoil. Anyhow, you're simply wrong here.

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    I agree that nothing much would have been left. I mean, there wouldn't be large pieces of fuselage and stuff but there should still be a lot of debris and burned stuff, and not just a big hole in the ground. And if the explosion was THAT big the trees would have been burned too.

    Explosions don't tend to cause fire damage to the things they engulf. Most of what an explosion does is cause concussive damage and heat burns (not catch-on-fire-and-burn burns). As to what was left, refer to the very good post made earlier in regards to plane crashes and their debris afterwards.

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    so why did the us government forget to throw around plane parts near the pit, they cant be that stupid cant they

    Because they're evi, duh!

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    iirc the average time it took before 9/11 was like 12 minutes from going off radar to having f15's in the air. That day it was like an hour...

    That failure was actually on the hands of the military personell at the time. They didn't know how to react and weren't sure of what was going on. That wasted time caused their lateness. Largely it was confusion in the chain of command and a lack of knowledge about the situation at the time it was occuring.

    did you seriously just give us a link to the video that this thread is based on?

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    (in fact I don't think you guys will watch it cause you think you know about EVERYTHING, but still...)

    :roll:

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    did you seriously just give us a link to the video that this thread is based on?

    :roll:

    It's not the same video ¬¬

    The one stepp posted was made by a 20 year old dude, he's no expert at anything. The one I posted was made by experient physicists who certainly know A LOT more than you.

    maybe you should look at the first link

    and yeah he clearly is an expert on 9/11 :roll: everything he said has been said before, all he's done is collected a bunch of theories off of videos already made and a bunch of websites. He didn't even make his own powerpoint presentation. Sure, i don't have a phd in physics, but he hasnt applied his physics degree to his analysis at all outside of using his title to make himself more credible. Just because I don't have a phd doesn't mean i made my shit up, everything I posted i provided a link to a credible website.

    He is mostly talking about theories that were proven flawed years ago. This thread also explains most of the points you brought forward Mino. What else is there you dont understand?

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