9/11 - some scientific stuff to think about it

    Found this very interesting video today. Its over two hours but very interesting stuff and well explained by a professor.

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    For those who dont have so much time and prefer to see documentation type of stuff look this:

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    (its basicaly what the professor said packed in a more compact and visual form)

    What do you think about it? Still believe that terrorists were behind it?

    i've seen about 15 of these things that all have the same facts, i'm pretty confident that terrorists did it with planes. not to say that there isn't some sketchy stuff.

    yeah, and we never landed on the moon, the CIA killed Kennedy, the holocaust is a myth, the pyramids were built by aliens, and the Illuminati is secretly ruling the world.

    Still good stuff though. After watching some of it, its a hell of a lot more well formed than your standard conspiracy theory.

    I agree with the facts in the movie.

    There is just no way those buildings came down so clean with just a plane hitting them, the idea of a whole building collapsing leaving not a single floor intact from a fire in the upper floors is just a fariytale.

    You can set a modern building on fire and the supporting structures are intact after 10 hours of burning.

    Quote from Kosmo

    I agree with the facts in the movie.There is just no way those buildings came down so clean with just a plane hitting them, the idea of a whole building collapsing leaving not a single floor intact from a fire in the upper floors is just a fariytale.

    You can set a modern building on fire and the supporting structures are intact after 10 hours of burning.

    wtc where no "modern" towers... they where already reasonably old and build in competition for the highest buildings in the world... many "objective" documentary's have shown scientific prove of the fire resistant material failures around many parts of the towers. i dont believe shit about the conspiracy's i havent even read these ones... ive read tons of them and theyre all crap, wtc was taken down by terrorists end of story for me...

    Sigh...

    Slowly.. slowly...

    Ok, plane carries fuel, that kind of fuel makes fires with higher temprature then "normal" fires.

    The metal supporting the structure does not stand the heat and the floors above crash down starting a domino effect.

    See, wasnt so difficult was it now?

    Hey guys I just so happen to be an expert on the construction and materials of the WTC, there is no way a plane did all that, It was a nuke from one of the governments many nuclear subs.

    I would believed it if the buildings top side would have just fallen off like 100% of similar cases, but the whole building coming down like it was demolished? A building that was designed to sustain fire, storms, and earth quakes.

    I don't know about the rest of the conspiracy theory, but I just can't believe that a building that massive would just be reduced to dust by simple plane crash. Atleast several floors from the bottom of the building would have been intact, that I'm 100% sure of.

    Quote from Pericolos0

    this is like saying 'i dont believe in evolution because you know.. were simply too complex'. Why is it impossible to believe a building would come down like that?

    Leave evolution out of this.

    I just talked to several of our engineers of our company and they all said that it's practically impossible (meaning around 0,001 chance of happening) that the burning top floors of a building would bring the whole shit falling down, that would mean that the structural integrity of the whole building was somehow affected by the fire and that would mean that the whole building would have to be on fire.

    Fairly modern building collumns are designed to support and withstand masses up to twise it's own, so how burning building could increase the mass to a point where it broke the whole structure just doesn't happen.

    This leads to my first point, the buildings burning part would have just grown so weak that it would have just fell off, instead of turning the whole building in to rubble and dust. The needed 1500 - 2000 degrees celsius to burn the steel collumns reiforced with steel concrete would only come from massive amounts of rocket fuel, normal AVGAS doesn't burn that hot nor does it burn that long, it's designed in such a way that if a plane crashes it burns out cuickly which then would leave the normal burning rubble that doesn't have the capability of creating such intense heat.

    I was absolutely sure that some say thats all bs etc. But honestly why do you have more believe in brainwashing propaganda then scientific prooven facts?

    I know its on the first look a very weird conspiration theory but at closer look it makes much more sense then what the official version of these things is. I don't believe anymore that islamic terrorists were behind these attacks. Just make a table and compare which pros get Osama Bin Laden on the one side and Bush Administration, Secret Agencies and single persons from the economy on the other side. I dont see a pro on the osama side that is half as serious as one of the many pros on the other side.

    I see it as a result of brainwashing by propaganda that some people don't even consider that it may be a conspiration after all the facts.

    It doesnt make sense that a Administration and secret agencies that were not involved in the planning of these things hide, destroy and falsificate evidences of how it happend.

    The official version of 9/11 is so wishy washy and full of holes. I believe its only in a propaganda brainwashed country possible that so many people blindly believe everything. This whole thing remembers me very much on soviet times. Im glad its still possible that people like this professor can speak open. In Soviet Union he would be in Siberia already. So there is hope still that the truth will see light of day.

    Why do you think a Osama Bin Laden can plan these things from a rock in afghanistan and people in a administration/secret agencies full of neo-conservative religious fanatics with lots of powers and money cant?

    Do you seriously believe the leaders in capitalist countrys love their people more then their power and money and wouldnt do things that harm the normal people? If so why dont they give a fuck about decent healthcare and social systems for everyone? Why have lobbyists so much power in these countrys?

    Oh god, the tinfoilehat conspiracy theorists has invaded mapcore.

    Let me get this straight, your telling me that first you drive a plane into the building and then you get out of the plane to put up some demolitions that you blow?

    Naaah, you put the demolitions up first and then you aim for that floor with a gigantish plane but blow the demolitions later?

    WTF?!?!? are you completly *BEEEEP*?

    Let me repeat with a little more detail.

    The explosions of big planes and the subseqvent fuel fire damaged and distorted the supports enough, NO IT DIDNT NEED TO MELT ANY METAL, so it finaly gave up and the floors above, which wheighs a damn lot, so much in fact that even cosmos really incompetent engineering buddies should understand what happens when you drop, not SUPPORT, something that heavy on ANY building, it crumbles, breaks, falls down, go fucking bust, it will be demolished!

    IF A SHITLOAD OF TONS FALLS ON SOMETHING FROM HUNDREDS OF METERS UP ONLY KOSMOS STUPIDITY,and my hardon, WOULD HAVE A FEW FLOORS STILL STANDING!

    Dont friggin compare this to your lego scraper experiments at home, this is fuckin huge buildings... ghaa!!!

    Oh, sorry Kosmo, I just couldnt help myself...

    Oh god please watch the movie first before you post.

    It all makes sense to put explosives in the building before attacking it with planes.

    Do you think 9/11 attacks would had such an extreme impact on society and politics if the buildings haven't collapsed? According to all these experts is it not possible that kerosine alone brings massive steel to melt or even to vaporize(!) Not to forget that most of the kerosine burned away in the moment of the crash. So the only solution can be to place explosives in it, let it look like a terrorist attack and blow the shit up. Thetre is proof for that. On all videos of the collapsing towers are exlosions visible on lower levels shortly before the collaps reaches the level.

    And what is with WTC 7?? there hasnt been a plane crashed in this building and it just collapsed from a fire. This is very suspicious since it was only the third steel/concrete building in history that collapsed from a fire (wtc 1&2 were the two before). Isnt this a funny coincidence?

    Where are the billions of gold dollars that were stored under the wtc? They found only 250 millions. Why made the owner of wtc a hugeass insurance against terrorism only 6 weeks before the attacks? Why has the government not released the videotapes of the pentagon attack? I tell you why. because its bullshit that it was attacked by a passenger plane.

    Other thought. Lets say the american government wasnt involved in all this. They blamed osama bin laden, started a war in afghanistan and then found out that some crazy head in their own secret agency was responsible for that shit. Would they go to the public and say "hey sorry guys it wasnt osama. some crazy redneck in our own agency planned that shit. please forgive us we are not responsible for him". Who would vote for republicans in the next two decades?

    If there wasnt something wrong with all of this they wouldnt keep the truth secret.

    The government version of 9/11 adds up in places, but completly fails in others. We all know what happened, I think there are some serious bluffs going on, especially around the Pentagon.

    FBI taking all the tapes showing the impact minutes after. Planes flying that low to the ground without touching it flown by complete douchebag "pilots" and not having backblast affect the cars on the highway...lots of things don't add up there.

    Quote from Pericolos0

    steppenwolf i have heard loads of scientific statements from both sides... and i'm pretty sure the engineers that believe it just collapsed because of the plane far outweigh the odd scientist that has another theory. There are scientists that have proof to back up their theory that the holocaust didnt occur... do you believe those too?also there is no such things as a scientifically prooven fact

    What has this to do with holocaust? :roll:

    There are clearly explosions in lower levels visible, some are far below the collapsing levels. How do the other scientists explain these? How do they explain that wtc 7 collapses how it collapses (perfectly straight in free fall speed). How do the other scientists explain that there have been found no big pieces of the pentagon and pennsylvania planes when in EVERY other planecrash that ever happend the places are full of them? :roll:

    How do the other scientists explain that some of the steel was vaporized when kerosine can by far not reach the temperature to vaporize steel?

    Why have all the wtc steel been sold to asia and meltet short time after the attacks happend? In every fucking planecrash there are investigations over sometimes years where every small piece is collected. why not in the wtc attacks?

    Peris i always thought you were open for other opinions. How can you accept all the open questions and even come with this silly holocaust comparison? Some of the questions could be easily answered if the bush administration would give honest answers about what they know. Why dont they give these answers? There can be only three possible answers to this questions imo. 1. they were directly involved in this 2. people close to them were involved to this or did at least knew about it 3. the truth has nothing to do with both theorys but would harm bushs political ambitions since he abused the situation to increase his powers and the power of the united states on the globe

    Well shit, if you saw it on the Internet, it must be true.

    Go watch Anatomy of the Collapse on TLC or Discovery Channel sometime (or buy the DVD) (or pirate it). It actually explains the collapse using... what's that called... oh yeah, ACTUAL SCIENCE. This shit in these Google videos uses a high school understanding of physics. The same "scientists" and "experts" in these videos are the same oness that say the moon landing is impossible.

    See, with this real documentary, they decided to go talk to people that knew what the hell they were talking about: the architect and the building's chief engineer. Turns out they actually have firsthand knowledge about what stresses the building was designed for and what the flaws were. Here are some spicy tidbits:

    1) Yes, the building was designed to withstand a plane's impact: in 1960. The idea of giant jumbo jets with high octane jet fuel was not a thought. They were more worried about small communter planes that crashed into high rises all the time.

    2) The support structure wasn't designed for jet-fuel level heat. It was designed to withstand a heavy fire that was concievable during the time. It was treated with flame resistent foam. The problem was that jet fuel made the fire burn outside the acceptible range, melting the foam and softening the support frame. Thus, implosion from the center.

    3) Those mysterious "explosions" floors beneath the impact zone? It's called gas pressure. When an area is suddently imapct, the air need someplace to go, so it will flow anywhere it can to escape. Down a stairwell. Through an office. Doesn't matter. So all that escaping gas found a a way to escape by blowing out windows. Some thing happens in any explosion. It why the teams that implode buildings remove all the glass first.

    4) WTC 7 was crippled by falling debris. There are pictures of the damage pre- and post- collapse of the two towers. The only "evidence" conspiracists have is that the CIA had a branch office there. SPOOKY! THE CIA! IT MUST HAVE BEEN WHERE THEY HID THE ALIENS! Dumb shits. When a building takes a few tons of debris, it tends to be less stable. When firefighteres don't even touch a fire, it tends to burn for a hell of a long time past acceptible norms consideredin construction and design.

    5) The "Where's the Debris Theory" is also complete bullshit. Those towers had so many fucking subfloors. Go to the site in NYC sometime. It's a big fucking pit. You can fit a lot of debris there. (Also consider an average floor on a building is about 5-10% materials and the rest open air.

    So in conclusion: if you believe this hoax crap, you're an idiot. Congratulations, you believed shit on the internet. I have some money in a Nigerian Bank you can help me get to, but first I need you to give me some money to start the paperwork. We'll split it 50/50 and be rich as Nazis! Smacktard.

    Oh the arrogance over other opinions here :roll:

    Ok, lets forget all the physician, engineer, architecture stuff. Lets say the towers were indeed collapsed due to the plane crashes. Still remains the pentagon and pennsylvania stuff and not to forget all the lies and abuses of the situation from the government. Doesn't it bother you that they try to keep you stupid? Why dont they answer questions that they know and that to answer wouldn't harm them if they were not involved and indeed all this shit was planned by Osama Bin Laden? Aren't you the idiot here because you believe what was on TV? You seriously think thats a better source then Internet?

    I have seen all the documentarys that came out a few months after the attacks and tried to explain all this. Fact is that many many questions are not answered. The videos that i posted are from this year and i believe that they at least answer a few of these questions and proof other stuff wrong.

    Quote from Steppenwolf

    Oh the arrogance over other opinions here :roll:

    Ok, lets forget all the physician, engineer, architecture stuff. Lets say the towers were indeed collapsed due to the plane crashes. Still remains the pentagon and pennsylvania stuff and not to forget all the lies and abuses of the situation from the government. Doesn't it bother you that they try to keep you stupid?

    The pentagon stuff is pretty obvious. It would be bad PR showing the HQ of the most powerful military humiliated. Or if youre talking about the pieces, google it. There are pictures of pieces of the aircraft, its engine, its nose, the american airlines logo and more between the smoldering rubble of the pentagon.

    Same with pennsylvania. You just use the wrong searchtags on google stepp, youre finding what you want to find.

    Quote from Section_Ei8ht

    I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve either side, but RD, since those images are so easy to find, post some here then.

    lol yea this would be a adequate answer

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