*Sigh + lol*I never said all of you were saying that.
Yes, yes... but I didn't accuse you of preaching at my door either. Some people preach, and some hate it. Some say non-believers are weak without Jesus and some say the opposite.
But I think the biggest reason why non-believers don't like religion is because it's crammed at our faces all the time like some sort of propaganda.
I dont like that either. I too encounter sometimes Jehovas or people walking around and screaming passages. Yeah that sucks and I also dont like that. But I see too much generalisations in the critique.
Yeah, it sucks that there are still fuckheads preaching hell and doomnation all day, it sucks that there are still people who dont think for themselves but only seek the security in the promise of a better afterlife. Its messed up that there are still people who dont hink for themselves and blow themselves up in crowded places and are prepared to kill childs, jus because they are promised paradise. Fuck that. Thats not believing. And I think most people know that.
Quote from RDOver here (holland) theres kinda a debate about wether islam is a problem or not. Some ppl think it isnt, that islam has nothing to do with the violence, and others think it has. The funny thing is, a somali muslim woman (a refugee) in our government says islam is the root of the problem. Basically she says islam is peaceful, but extremely open to extremist influences. She doesnt hate islam and shes still a muslim, but she hates extremists. She says a few dozen (in holland) are violent extremists, a few thousand are supportive of the extremist ideas, and the giant
majority of muslims is peaceful but says islam is perfect and it cant be a problem. If you say their religion is peaceful, but open to extremist influences, theyre outraged. Needless to say she lives in constant hiding and several extremists carrying machineguns or pistols and a hitlist with her name on it(and many others)have been arrested.
I dont know how it is in the US, but over here when you insult the quran, you need protection from extremists. If you make a comic about muhammed, or a movie, or a painting whatever, the peaceful majority of muslims condemns you, and when you get killed, theyre shocked and say "Killing is bad, but you know its dangerous to insult islam, you should have known, youd still be alive today". That kinda sums up the problem. How can it be dangerous, and not be a problem?
And then there are ppl who want to be politically correct at all times afraid to be called racist (i know its not a race), they probably think they are racist if they do connect islam to the problem. I said in another thread here that i thought islam had something to do with terrorism, and i was told to GTFO and never come back. It has nothing to do with racism or hating the religion. Christianity had such a time, its in the history books. If you dont want to admit that islam can have anything to do with the problem, you must be quite sure that religion is perfect. And i get the vague impression that none of you even vaguely believe that. I guess its ok to say religion is the root of alot of evil, but its completely racist to say islam is maybe a bit more open to extremists than others.
Well, in holland we have a combination of dicks, pussies and assholes. Right now, the assholes are the majority and the pussies are being shit on. What we need are more dicks. Truth is that the world lacks dicks and thus I think were gonna be in deep shit.
Well, in holland we have a combination of dicks, pussies and assholes. Right now, the assholes are the majority and the pussies are being shit on. What we need are more dicks. Truth is that the world lacks dicks and thus I think were gonna be in deep shit.
You mean dicks like the somali woman?
Quote from KosmoMawbise, there is a hole in your theory about rules and how we decide to follow them.For instance, rules like laws that our societies have are not for one to choose which to follow and which not.
.... so when you download madonna-hung_up.mp3 you don't choose to not follow the rules of the law?
Could you explain what you mean cause I dont get what my "hole" is?
Quote from RDYou mean dicks like the somali woman?
Yes. She for example is a dick. A gentle one, that is. A real dick for example would be Theo van Gogh. I liked him... 
But I also mean ordinairy people with guts and ideals who are not afraid to vent their opnions and defending them.
lol @ mawbise 
Quote from mawibse.... so when you download madonna-hung_up.mp3 you don't choose to not follow the rules of the law?
Could you explain what you mean cause I dont get what my "hole" is?
I guess it's the jailtime that defines the hole.
You are utterly insane if you compare "rules" that are in bible to rules of society that usually are called laws like apples to apples. It's not 16th century anymore hombre, you can't go to jail by breaking the ten commandments.
Quote from KosmoI guess it's the jailtime that defines the hole.
I think your theory on my hole got a whollotta holes in it.
Quote from KosmoYou are utterly insane if you compare "rules" that are in bible to rules of society that usually are called laws
Quote from KosmoAnd many societies draw their rules from religions, the mainstream religion of the area by which many live by.
I let you sort out your differences by yourself.
Quote from KosmoIt's not 16th century anymore hombre, you can't go to jail by breaking the ten commandments.
Yeah, "thou shalt not kill" is way to 16th century to go to jail for these days...
OMG pwnd. 
km you watch to much Team America.
I think religion is a huge factor in the shitty stuff in our world, I mean what wars\terrorist attacks aren't caused by a religion as a root?
"Religion"
If you're going to hate it at least spell it right.
Quote from mawibse...neither does religon, its a person everytime.
If I go to a crowded area and scream "FOR SCIENCE!" and blow myself and others up, does that make me or science the bad guy?
Weird how dumb one gets when playing the blame game, you wanna blame something thats easy to group, but thats human I guess.
Science invents weapons for religious nuts to use to blow each other up. RUH ROH, LOGIC!
Religion is a terrible motivator, science can be a terrible tool.
Oh hello there mr postman... 
Quote from st0lveI mean what wars\terrorist attacks aren't caused by a religion as a root?
All of them, religion is the motivator the root is always poverty, power, revenge and wealth.
Quote from mawibseAll of them, religion is the motivator the root is always poverty, power, revenge and wealth.
And ignorance. Let's not forget the big "I" word.
If I wanted to make myself appear intellectually superior, I would. I merely wanted you to spell the other side correctly. It's the gentlemanly thing to do.
You always know which side that has the best point when the other guy has to move over to personal attacks..
that beeing said, religion didnt invent the A-bomb 
Quote from Dreaded FistWhat is it with everyone trying to be grammar police? Yeah, I suck at spelling, good job for pointing that out, do you want a fucking medal? Stick to the topic and stop trying to make yourself appear intellectually superior. Sure, you may be, but do I care? No.Edit: Excellent, a new sticky because I can't spell. Fletch, if you're going to call me a retard, at least recognize that people are known to have learning disabilities, which limit their potential in certain area's. If you're going to cite my "lack of brains" as the sole reason for my inability to write a sentance without mispelling something, at least give me the chance to defend myself before you lock the thread, therby giving yourself the last word.
Just for shits and giggles let's at least attempt to spellcheck our posts instead of being sloppy hmm? Everybody wins.
Quote from SkjalgYou always know which side that has the best point when the other guy has to move over to personal attacks..that beeing said, religion didnt invent the A-bomb
It is, however, responsible for millenia after millenia of persecution, hatred, ignorance and contempt. More than any bomb could hope to achieve.
Quote from The PostmanIt is, however, responsible for millenia after millenia of persecution, hatred, ignorance and contempt. More than any bomb could hope to achieve.
I think someone else said this, in this thread, that it isnt religion itself who is responsible for that, but men...
That could also apply for the A-bomb too i guess...
Bottom line is, some people are evil ;P
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