Religeon is the root of all evil

I don't sympathize with religion either. It's a fucking mass brainwash. People are always killing each other because of religion. What I most hate about religion is that it's always against personal freedom. If you feel like doing something, religion will probably tell you not to do it. (yeah I'm looking at you vatican).

Gah my head hurts now, klein and I had a long discussion about this like 3 weeks ago and we have almost the same opinion.

/me waits for luka to reply to this thread

Religion is a lie that I don't have a problem with other people believing, unless it gets out of hand, like extremists activities.

I agree with jynx

Basically i don't have anything against religion as long as it isn't forced upon people and isn't radical. It is great that religion gives people something to believe in and makes them stronger and help them through the day. Personally I don't need this... but others do and thats totally fine.. that is....AS LONG as people leave me alone with their religious believes and as long as they don't talk about it like it's fact and the only truth that their god is the only one in existence and that god does and most of all I don't want to hear that something I am doing is wrong because THEIR religion says so. I don't wanna hear it.

Islam is a peaceful religion at heart. It condemns killing of innocents just like any other religion. It isn't the religion that's the problem, it is radical fundamentalists that misinterpret what is written in the qu'ran.

Christianity, same thing. It's the people that go too crazy and overboard with it that make life a pain for everybody else with a different opinion/belief.

If people knew how to control themselves and let their believes be their own believes and not everyone elses, the world would be a much more peaceful place. Unfortunately that's just not how things work on this planet.

And just to add to this,

an other thing I absolutely hate is when religious people blame everything that happens on god... two young kids die -> "it was god's will, he has a reason for everything" -- twisted thinking like that is just horrible IMO

Yeah I hate when someone dies and people say shit like "god has greater plans for him" etc etc

I myself hate raligion all it's forms as a concept, it just is wrong to base your own toughts on some "teachings" of this and that, you basically become a mindless drone with everything pre chewed for you, easy answers that doesn't make you think too much. Kills the man inside and leaves only the stinking husk outside.

And then there are the extremists, the people who don't think clearly at all, people who don't look for the teachings, they are looking for reasons. Reason to hate, murder, rape people, religions that started as a teaching of something better and kinder has turned in to a manifest to war and anger.

I like buddhism, not so much as a religion, but a philosophy, a guildeline, something you might want to think on but not something you want to live by necessarily. And that is what religion should be, about life philosophy, about a target to become enlightened, not about some overwhelming power that created things and is going to eventually take everything away and turn people to demons, something you don't have any control over.

Religion has divided world way more severely than any politics, there are millions of those who don't have any political view but very few that doesn't have something to say about religion.

I have always tought that religion itself is the greatest humanrights violation in history, in certain communities your life is controlled by some crazy belief right from the beginning, when you are a kid there is not much to do, you just have to go by some supposedly 2000 year old writings. And sometimes, even the parents don't have control over themselfs, their actions are controlled by the bible or some other, their community is ran by religious leader, a priest, a rabbi, holyman.

But do I think world would be better place without religions? Possibly, but, passive people are passive people, if you don't have raligions, they are just slaves to something else, and mentally defect people are going to kill people who drink pepsi because they like coca cola, or blow up McDonald's, we have seen this kind of behavior before, some Green Peace extremists, and there was a bombing of McDonald's in Russia.

But I would like to raise my children in a world where people are not defined by anything, not by nationality, not by religion, not by color of his skin, and not controlled by religion.

There are three misspellings of "religion" on this page.

I'd like to add that although I don't believe in any of the deities or fairy tales, I'm really interested in the proverbs and teachings of some religions, like Buddism, because that is some wise stuff and causes only good.

We all follow rules, if they where written/made up 2000 years ago or yesterday doesn’t matter since you decide which to follow and which to believe in.

It’s the ones who blames a different group for all the worlds problems that draws my contempt.

Blame the politicians, the jews, religions, capitalists, communists or whatever you want, but when you do, in my heart that makes you part of the problem.

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There are three misspellings of "religion" on this page.

does that include the topic?

Long story short, I prefer science over religion. Science doesnt stand in a crowded area and kill several innocents in its own name. Not to mention it can be proven true.

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Science doesnt stand in a crowded area and kill several innocents in its own name.

...neither does religon, its a person everytime.

If I go to a crowded area and scream "FOR SCIENCE!" and blow myself and others up, does that make me or science the bad guy?

Weird how dumb one gets when playing the blame game, you wanna blame something thats easy to group, but thats human I guess.

Mawbise, there is a hole in your theory about rules and how we decide to follow them.

For instance, rules like laws that our societies have are not for one to choose which to follow and which not. And many societies draw their rules from religions, the mainstream religion of the area by which many live by. Hundreds of years ago they seemed to be the best rules since everyone already lived by them and they prohibited anyone from hurting eachother and going by unpunished.

FFS why are religion flamers always tolerated. No matter how cheap your arguements are, they always get accepted lol...

Fuck off telling believers how stupid they are and how weak because they need a religion to 'make it thru the day'. Yeah, go ahead and be a non-believer, just piss off and go fuck yourselfes if the only thing youre gonna do is pooping on other peoples believs.

So.

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FFS why are religion flamers always tolerated. No matter how cheap your arguements are, they always get accepted lol...Fuck off telling believers how stupid they are and how weak because they need a religion to 'make it thru the day'. Yeah, go ahead and be a non-believer, just piss off and go fuck yourselfes if the only thing youre gonna do is pooping on other peoples believs.

So.

TWICE there have been people at my door preaching about God and when I've told them I don't believe in God they litterally pat me in the back and say "you poor thing". The next thing they've seen is a door being slammed shut in front of their faces. It's not like you believers are any better than the rest of us either...

I didn't say that and I don't go off peoples doors. Don't generalise.

/grrr bark bark

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I didn't say that and I don't go off peoples doors. Don't generalise.

And most of us haven't said that you're weak.

But I think the biggest reason why non-believers don't like religion is because it's crammed at our faces all the time like some sort of propaganda.

*Sigh + lol*

I never said all of you were saying that.

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Islam is a peaceful religion at heart. It condemns killing of innocents just like any other religion. It isn't the religion that's the problem, it is radical fundamentalists that misinterpret what is written in the qu'ran.

Christianity, same thing. It's the people that go too crazy and overboard with it that make life a pain for everybody else with a different opinion/belief.

Over here (holland) theres kinda a debate about wether islam is a problem or not. Some ppl think it isnt, that islam has nothing to do with the violence, and others think it has. The funny thing is, a somali muslim woman (a refugee) in our government says islam is the root of the problem. Basically she says islam is peaceful, but extremely open to extremist influences. She doesnt hate islam and shes still a muslim, but she hates extremists. She says a few dozen (in holland) are violent extremists, a few thousand are supportive of the extremist ideas, and the giant

majority of muslims is peaceful but says islam is perfect and it cant be a problem. If you say their religion is peaceful, but open to extremist influences, theyre outraged. Needless to say she lives in constant hiding and several extremists carrying machineguns or pistols and a hitlist with her name on it(and many others)have been arrested.

I dont know how it is in the US, but over here when you insult the quran, you need protection from extremists. If you make a comic about muhammed, or a movie, or a painting whatever, the peaceful majority of muslims condemns you, and when you get killed, theyre shocked and say "Killing is bad, but you know its dangerous to insult islam, you should have known, youd still be alive today". That kinda sums up the problem. How can it be dangerous, and not be a problem?

And then there are ppl who want to be politically correct at all times afraid to be called racist (i know its not a race), they probably think they are racist if they do connect islam to the problem. I said in another thread here that i thought islam had something to do with terrorism, and i was told to GTFO and never come back. It has nothing to do with racism or hating the religion. Christianity had such a time, its in the history books. If you dont want to admit that islam can have anything to do with the problem, you must be quite sure that religion is perfect. And i get the vague impression that none of you even vaguely believe that. I guess its ok to say religion is the root of alot of evil, but its completely racist to say islam is maybe a bit more open to extremists than others.