Dumb Design vs Intelligent design

Well, I know the theory of expanding/growing universe is pretty wild but people way smarter than any of us here have been studying that theory for almost a decade.

And I'll ask you this, if matter can't just appear in the center of a planet of somewhere in space, how the hell does a black hole just make it disappear? Matter and energy are prettymuch eternal, theory is that they can't disappear and they can't be formed out of nothing, they are transformed to something else.

Mawbise, what black holes has to do with expanding universe? Umm... you might want to try pretty much everything, the little we understand about black holes, they are center points of everything and key to every imaginable question we have about universe and how it was born.

And there are theories that the matter, like I said doesn't disappear anywhere it just transforms to something else and can be transformed back, and that matter be it hawkin radiation or something else, created the universe, and in other words, matter was created from "nothing."

what does it have to do with intelligent design

Well, it depends on the view, some might see it the perfect proof that some sort of extra terrestial entity molded the planet for us OR some might see it the perfect proof that god didn't create the world like it is described in the genesis.

Pick your favourite.

I believe that I created the universe so that you guys could create the core and I could hang around and bitch about Intelligent Design and stuff, u know, the usual.

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And since electrons make up an apple...

hmm... no.

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So that matter is transformed to something else then back again is what you refer to as "matter created out of nothing", I don’t think you could scientifically say that "something else" could be nothing.

And that is why I used the quotation on the word nothing, since most people tend to think that if there is just an empty space and all of a sudden a chair is in the empty space, it was created out of "nothing", but in trut it was formed by something else that was there, which by no means is nothing. Comprende? Or should I demonstrate it with two lifelike dolls?

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How convenient, something we already know to exist is the key to everything.

Tell you what, the same goes for anything else, when I know all there is to know about the electron I could explain a black hole. And since electrons make up an apple all I need to know is an apple. Yes the apple is a metaphor for a black hole, trust me, black holes are not even a spit in the ocean of explaining everything, no matter how cool they appear to us.

If we knew more about black holes sure we would know a lot more but to think it’s the key to everything, naah no way we are that lucky.

Just as always, when we have explained the black hole we will have a lot more questions then what we just answered.

In the end, the apple has to do with you as much as the black hole has to do with the expansion of the universe. It's connected but sure isnt a key.

I'm sorry if I laugh loudly to you, but by your theory, if god really existed and he came to us and told us the absolut truth to everything, it couldn't possibly be true because we know about it? Hmm ... makes sense, but Big Bird and Cookie Monster have also some theories about this, not that they matter since they are as insane as you are.

I'm well aware of the saying "to be truely smart is not to know that you know everything, but is to know that you know nothing" or something googaa like that, but are YOU aware of the saying "don't look far for answers to questions asked near."

Sometimes we have to take what we have and start from there, because at the beginning THAT was just an apple, then it was small particles that naked eye couldn't see and then it was a black hole in space. All which we tought to be absolute, but all opened a new door.

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... electrons, protons and neutrons make up atoms that make up yadda yadda yadda and in the end, behold an apple.Better?

Now you are correct. The properties of an atom are dependent on its electron configuration. Mere electrons don't really make up anything.

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My theory is that if god told you the absolute truth about everything, you wouldn’t be human anymore you’d be god.

And what god would tell you wouldn’t even remotely resemble anything you’d ever or any human ever had or would ever had dreamt of, little less rationally thought about.

Even when I respect people who are smarter than me, I wouldn't go so far as calling them gods, even with vast knowledge the thing that makes us humans remain, error, just plain simple humane error. And as far as my view of god goes, he'd be still all powerful and divine being. Something man is not even with his gained vast knowledge.

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Yes, "don’t look far..“ seems like a very good saying when talking about the universe expanding and black holes....

And according to you, until we discover the truth about black holes and then, holy cow, the explanation of everything was there!!

Well I don’t think so, it’s just another opened door revealing hundreds of closed ones.

As an answer to both of these, I just have to say, that without studying that apple, we wouldn't haven't found those atoms and what not, and without studying space we wouldn't have found black holes. I'll admit that just by studying black holes we won't find out everything, but you'll have to understand that there is no such thing as absolute knowledge, anything we study gives us more questions than answers, and that is the way humans work. But studying black holes will get us closer to the answers about universe, and I believe that they will hole the key to even bigger questions that we don't even know yet.

I am a God.

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My theory is that if god told you the absolute truth about everything, you wouldn’t be human anymore you’d be god.

And what god would tell you wouldn’t even remotely resemble anything you’d ever or any human ever had or would ever had dreamt of, little less rationally thought about.

Even when I respect people who are smarter than me, I wouldn't go so far as calling them gods, even with vast knowledge the thing that makes us humans remain, error, just plain simple humane error. And as far as my view of god goes, he'd be still all powerful and divine being. Something man is not even with his gained vast knowledge.

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Yes, "don’t look far..“ seems like a very good saying when talking about the universe expanding and black holes....

And according to you, until we discover the truth about black holes and then, holy cow, the explanation of everything was there!!

Well I don’t think so, it’s just another opened door revealing hundreds of closed ones.

As an answer to both of these, I just have to say, that without studying that apple, we wouldn't haven't found those atoms and what not, and without studying space we wouldn't have found black holes. I'll admit that just by studying black holes we won't find out everything, but you'll have to understand that there is no such thing as absolute knowledge, anything we study gives us more questions than answers, and that is the way humans work. But studying black holes will get us closer to the answers about universe, and I believe that they will hole the key to even bigger questions that we don't even know yet.

Quick question Mawibse. Do you think that Intelligent Design has any place in the science classroom given that it is not scientific, what-so-ever?

While I think of myself as an Atheist.

My 'lack of faith' was tested the other day, when I started thinking about Life and where it came from.

srsly, where the hell??

Phase 1 : Planet formed, different elements get put there by asteroids and stuff.

Phase 2: ?

Phase 3: Plants grow.