Chester bennington, dead.

Yeah, this is fucked up!

I remember being 17, hopping on a train to Lisbon all by myself with a friend of mine, we were on our way to a Linkin Park concert. I've never been to a concert, barely even been our of my home city my whole life and I remember vividly seeing them live was quite life changing for me, their Meteora album is one of the best albums I've ever listened to, a master piece.

Suicide is never the answer guys, if somehow you're reading this and are going through a bad patch, there's always someone to help, don't give up.

Suicide Prevention Hotline in the US - 1-800-273-8255, or http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html

It's incredibly fucked up. Just want to pretend it never happened

A quote I like is "don't remember how a person died, remember how they lived."

Big part of my teenage life. This track seems appropriate right now.

14 year old me was playing Natural Selection combat and listening to reanimation

Their music got me through a lot of bad stuff. Not only do I find it tragic that he''s gone, but seeing the way he went, is really depressing for people struggling with similar issues.

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8 hours ago, [HP] said: Suicide is never the answer guys, if somehow you're reading this and are going through a bad patch, there's always someone to help, don't give up.

Suicide Prevention Hotline in the US - 1-800-273-8255, or http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html

Suicide is still too tabu in western societies, that's why we still have too much of them...

It's like society doesn't make us feel like we are allowed to be sad, which subsequently lead to isolation and to a breaking point, we there it is suicide, a burnout, etc.

And the more successful you are the less you are allowed to feel sadness. (That's why celebrities or highly educated students or highly successful employees sometimes go down like this...)

On his suicide, that's sad... especially for certain generations who have grown with Linkin Park as superstars in the musical landscape!

For all of those who feel numb or want to faint, or feel like you're one step closer of a runaway, well, in the end... it's easier to run without a papercut if we don't let these songs be forgotten !

(Damn we could write an entire somewhat cohesive article with their song names!)

Looks like it related to Chris Cornell birthday. This suck.

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1 hour ago, laminutederire said: Suicide is still too tabu in western societies, that's why we still have too much of them...

It's like society doesn't make us feel like we are allowed to be sad, which subsequently lead to isolation and to a breaking point, we there it is suicide, a burnout, etc.

And the more successful you are the less you are allowed to feel sadness. (That's why celebrities or highly educated students or highly successful employees sometimes go down like this...)

On his suicide, that's sad... especially for certain generations who have grown with Linkin Park as superstars in the musical landscape!

For all of those who feel numb or want to faint, or feel like you're one step closer of a runaway, well, in the end... it's easier to run without a papercut if we don't let these songs be forgotten !

(Damn we could write an entire somewhat cohesive article with their song names!)

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Funny you mention this, because I was having sinilar thoughts today. Same with the 27 club, how can young artists full of fame and a bright long future just off themselves like that.

The answer I'm sure it's as complex as the human mind and the ecosystem it exists in. You were mentioning being tabu to be depressed in western society, this is very true, people want to send you to a shrink with first signs of any depression, then come the mind numbing drugs and coasting through a half existence.

It almost makes sense if you think of western society as a living being, depressed people don't contribute to society, so the immune system kicks in and finds ways to fix the abnormality so things can go back to being a functional member of the pack, asap. And indeed, those most fortunate should have nothing to complain about, with their sports cars and mansions on the beach.

Sigh... anyway, sucks to the generation that loved what he did and his family, life is precious and seeing shit like this happening, at least to me it's confusing at best.

Got home from work last night and the missus told me about this. Was quite shocking! My girlfriend works at the arenas in Birmingham and only saw them play a couple of weeks ago and I think they were still in the middle of a tour too.

Really sucks though. Celebrity deaths and stuff don't normally affect me but Linkin Park was one of the bands I used to listen to a lot in my teenage years and it's sad that a part of the band is lost forever now.

Hope all his family and friends are ok. Can't imagine what he was going through to take his own life but as people have said, it's never the right thing to do. Get help if you need it guys

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2 hours ago, [HP] said: It almost makes sense if you think of western society as a living being

That's an interesting perspective, however it also shows that the society fights each and every mutated cell with every chance it's got. This prevents evolution among the society and keeps it perfectly in its current state. Issue is that the current state isn't perfect and not allowing it to be questioned is an impending disaster.

As someone who is fortunate in a way, I understand why super rich people can be depressed. When you see the world full of possibilities in theory but not quite in practice, it's very sad and overwhelming to see. You feel like you have Been wrong all along.. that may be his case with the dissapointment of not being able to overcome his past?

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4 hours ago, ElectroSheep said: Looks like it related to Chris Cornell birthday. This suck.

Yeah.

It's kind of a warning sign for people... if someone close to you commits suicide, you need to be careful that you don't allow that kind of negative thinking to spiral out of control in your own life. Must be tough if it's someone who is a close friend, but this will be really hard on everyone's family.

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6 hours ago, [HP] said: Funny you mention this, because I was having sinilar thoughts today. Same with the 27 club, how can young artists full of fame and a bright long future just off themselves like that.

Well that's the problem, western societies correlates fame/wealth with happiness, people only see the success, but fail to see the shit that famous people have to get trough to stay at their level.

It's always a question of balance, and when you reach this kind of level of fame and sucess, there is always a huge counterpart to pay.

I loved most of their music and reading that he was dead saddened me. Then I read he suicide and I got annoyed/angry.

If suicide shouldn't be a taboo why don't we start writing and describing things as they are instead of going for the easy clickbait-instalike post on Facebook.

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On 21/07/2017 at 4:28 PM, RaVaGe said: Well that's the problem, western societies correlates fame/wealth with happiness, people only see the success, but fail to see the shit that famous people have to get trough to stay at their level.

It's always a question of balance, and when you reach this kind of level of fame and sucess, there is always a huge counterpart to pay.

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On 21/07/2017 at 0:54 PM, laminutederire said: That's an interesting perspective, however it also shows that the society fights each and every mutated cell with every chance it's got. This prevents evolution among the society and keeps it perfectly in its current state. Issue is that the current state isn't perfect and not allowing it to be questioned is an impending disaster.

Sorry but that's very wrong concept. A mutated cell would be like a cancer and isolating/destroying it prevents it to spread, if anything.

I'm not saying we have to isolate depressed people at all, my auntie went through it and took pills etc, just that you are making the wrong example.

Sorry for being not supportive on this but I don't get this. Yes stars go through a lot of pressure and are under the microscope for every action (their life is invaded constantly and that's why I've always said paparazzi can't be protected by the same laws that protect a journalist, they are not journalists)... but I don't accept people like Cornell or Chester killing themselves. They have millions in their banks and unlike us they can not show up at work if they don't feel like. They have all the tools to tackle their problems early so I'm not up to mourn their deaths.

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1 hour ago, blackdog said:

Personnally I said that because, as successful as my studies can be, I still majorly feel depressed. I have all I need, and I'm destined to a life of relative success. My parents take care entirely of me during my studies, I attended the second school in France and I'll go into the 9th university in the Shanghai rankings. I'm very lucky to be where I am. However that did put me in a position where I can look at parts of the world for what they are. Being that lucky also gave me time to reflect and to find pain in seeing all the wrong humanity is doing to itself ans its environment.

It's overwhelming, and I know a few in my exact solution who took their life. I don't know if that gives you an idea. In my analogy, the mutation is just a beginning of change, and change is eliminated by society, even though society itself isn't in the most perfect shape it could.

Of course, being successful is something less to worry about, and I do not say it separates people etc. The example I gave with my own life is there to explain that being successful can give a different point of view on life which can be as depressing. (I didn't meant to brag or anything either as success is bound by one's happiness more than by something objective).

To me this shows that the tabu related to suicide is a wrong thing. Because the sole idea of wanting to do it isolate you from the rest of society, and sometimes denies you the help you need, since you don't necessarily feel like you're entitled to get some help. Indeed, when he had every help he could want, he hasn't got the one he needed. My theory being that it was because he didn't think he could get it, or that it even existed.

On that last point, having seen people go through that, there is an irrationality that arose at the moment of the suicide, no matter what rational argument was thrown at the person, the mind was irationnaly set on this idea.

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1 hour ago, blackdog said: Sorry for being not supportive on this but I don't get this. Yes stars go through a lot of pressure and are under the microscope for every action (their life is invaded constantly and that's why I've always said paparazzi can't be protected by the same laws that protect a journalist, they are not journalists)... but I don't accept people like Cornell or Chester killing themselves. They have millions in their banks and unlike us they can not show up at work if they don't feel like. They have all the tools to tackle their problems early so I'm not up to mourn their deaths.

Sorry but you have no clue about what you're talking about, and the way you say that is proving what i've said before, you relate happiness with money and sucess, and that's probably because you don't have it. But you can't fight depression with money, on it's own money is useless, it's just a tool you use to get the things you want, but when you're depressed, you want nothing.

Showing up at work or not doesn't change a thing, or just make it worse, it's their passion and most of the time their whole life, it has nothing related to your usual 5/7 a week 8 hours job.

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1 hour ago, RaVaGe said: Sorry but you have no clue about what you're talking about, and the way you say that is proving what i've said before, you relate happiness with money and sucess, and that's probably because you don't have it. But you can't fight depression with money, on it's own money is useless, it's just a tool you use to get the things you want, but when you're depressed, you want nothing.

Showing up at work or not doesn't change a thing, or just make it worse, it's their passion and most of the time their whole life, it has nothing related to your usual 5/7 a week 8 hours job.

Sorry, i imagine that you personally know many stars in depression?

I know that people are depressed because their job is shit. Because they don't have a job at all.

I know that if you are an artist and struggling to create what you love, you get depressed.

The thing is if an artist of this caliber is facing problems, he's not fighting for survival when he's trying to write a song, he/she can take some time off to feed their creativity... while the blu collar with children and a pregnant wife sweating his ass in a foundry, is literally fighting for his life (dangerous job) and his family (putting food on the table).

Their passion is their job so don't give me the "this has nothing to do with their job" because has a very lot to do.

How many athletes are committing suicide after getting injured and not being able to do what they love anymore? Shouldnt a race driver kill himself would he become handicapped? Read about the amazing stuff that Alex Zanardi has done after losing his legs.

Sorry for being stereotypical, but I believe a lot has to do with the kind of life style these people choose to live.

Maybe if this people were less self-centered they would realise that they could do a lot and different things, to improve other people lives, leading to also improve theirs.

@laminutederire im finding what you are writing worrying, you are either not depressed but leading yourself into it, or depressed and should do something about it.

Regarding your example from before, it is wrong because depression is not leading to evolution so of course -if you look at the natural world- living beings would isolate those. Like cancer you don't want it to spread.

Also I find the "educated" argument a bit offensive. I don't have a degree and worked a low level job for the last four years, still I'm aware of the big problems of the world, it is offensive to suggest that successful people are killing themselves "because they see the bad of the world". What are all the activists and volunteers of so many charities on so many levels doing then? I actually dropped out of my studies and found repulsion in Web design/development because I was feeling I was becoming an instrument of consumism, that I would just end up promoting useless stuff that ruins the beautiful world, build tools like Facebook that are becoming time sinkers for most people. I was feeling quite depressed, if I had to self-analyse. I packed my bag and did something else.

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40 minutes ago, blackdog said: Sorry, i imagine that you personally know many stars in depression?

I know that people are depressed because their job is shit. Because they don't have a job at all.

I know that if you are an artist and struggling to create what you love, you get depressed.

The thing is if an artist of this caliber is facing problems, he's not fighting for survival when he's trying to write a song, he/she can take some time off to feed their creativity... while the blu collar with children and a pregnant wife sweating his ass in a foundry, is literally fighting for his life (dangerous job) and his family (putting food on the table).

Their passion is their job so don't give me the "this has nothing to do with their job" because has a very lot to do.

How many athletes are committing suicide after getting injured and not being able to do what they love anymore? Shouldnt a race driver kill himself would he become handicapped? Read about the amazing stuff that Alex Zanardi has done after losing his legs.

Sorry for being stereotypical, but I believe a lot has to do with the kind of life style these people choose to live.

Maybe if this people were less self-centered they would realise that they could do a lot and different things, to improve other people lives, leading to also improve theirs.

@laminutederire im finding what you are writing worrying, you are either not depressed but leading yourself into it, or depressed and should do something about it.

Regarding your example from before, it is wrong because depression is not leading to evolution so of course -if you look at the natural world- living beings would isolate those. Like cancer you don't want it to spread.

Also I find the "educated" argument a bit offensive. I don't have a degree and worked a low level job for the last four years, still I'm aware of the big problems of the world, it is offensive to suggest that successful people are killing themselves "because they see the bad of the world". What are all the activists and volunteers of so many charities on so many levels doing then? I actually dropped out of my studies and found repulsion in Web design/development because I was feeling I was becoming an instrument of consumism, that I would just end up promoting useless stuff that ruins the beautiful world, build tools like Facebook that are becoming time sinkers for most people. I was feeling quite depressed, if I had to self-analyse. I packed my bag and did something else.

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What's your point ? It has nothing to do with other people living shitty lives, I was just saying that being famous and successfull doesn't mean you can't get in a severe depression and commit suicide. Like what, you have money so you can't be unhappy ahah wtf.