Aztec Talk [Suggestions]

Quote from El_Exodus

Well, Cache and Season had a working layout and there was no need to fix anything. The remakes consist of mostly visual changes. Aztec on the other hand, doesn't have a good layout. These are two different things.

This is why we should be supportive of him because he will need bravery if he succeed in fixing it. Not having a good layout doesn't mean it can't be fixed. Personnally I have my map as an example, at first it was disastrous, now it play almost okay, and as okay as many maps on the workshop, which is proof that there always is room for improvement when you want to, and this is why I think that he can potentially do it and that we shouldn't be that dismissive about this idea.

It's been 15 years people are complaining about aztec being aztec. Aztec is a Valve's map, Cache and Season are not, they are from Volcano and Ted and both are involved in the new version as far as I know and from the wikia.

But yeah he can do what he want, but it will probably be the 150th aztec version since the beginning of cs. Move on guys.

And I also like Aztec the way it is.

I think it would be more interesting to make aztec2 or something, same assets, different layout.

Quote from Tensei

Speaking of "remakes mostly consist of visual changes" can't be said about this. I have already [...]

I was talking about Season and Cache, not about your Aztec rework

I actually liked the idea of having the plank there, that way CT's would have to jump up there to look down at water, exposing themselves to T's at the mid gate.

Quote from tomm

I think it would be more interesting to make aztec2 or something, same assets, different layout.

I feel like this would be a way better approach. Use the visual style and some layout elements and create a new map. Same thing happened with Dust 1 and we got what is arguably the best CS map ever. Similar to Dust 1, Aztec really can't be salvaged without making huge changes and at that point you might as well start off with a new map.

Quote from laminutederire

FMPONE remade Cache and Season and both maps are today considered as amazing, while he is considered as a god, so I don't see why Tensei shouldn't fix Aztec if he wants to.

He got his name with Gwalior and Museum, released before Cache, if my memory doesn't trick me

Quote from blackdog

He got his name with Gwalior and Museum, released before Cache, if my memory doesn't trick me

probably, I don't deny his talents, I'm just saying that he is a respected mapper and he did remakes which is the proof there is nothing wrong about doing a remake

Aztec is an abomination and you managed to make this version looks even worse. What's the deal with the waist high wall in swamp? Were you high?

To make the map balanced you'd have to redo both spawns, the middle area and both bombsites. That's for the more aggravating area. The bridge and swamp is fine but the area after the bridge isn't.

It would be easier to make a new map from scratch. Even if you managed to tweak aztec into a balanced map, the result would be so different you might as well start something new today.

Wouldn't be better starting by distancing the CT spawn back a bit / reducing the trip Ts walk every round? The problem I always thought this map having, is that CT have too much advantage over Ts in positioning themselves, being able to pin them at bridge+water and double doors.

Distancing/shortening the spawn, shortening the bridge, opening (redesigning) double doors should go a long way, more than adding barriers and stuff(?).

Quote from laminutederire

probably, I don't deny his talents, I'm just saying that he is a respected mapper and he did remakes which is the proof there is nothing wrong about doing a remake

Don't think anyone said it's bad to make remakes :? I've actually read and thought myself that remaking a map can teach a lot. Hopefully the idea would be to spawn something much different, but "fixing" would be great.

I'm afraid that aiming to remake very popular maps is never gonna pay back in terms of popularity. But I dunno, maybe one can get lucky.

Quote from blackdog

Wouldn't be better starting by distancing the CT spawn back a bit / reducing the trip Ts walk every round? The problem I always thought this map having, is that CT have too much advantage over Ts in positioning themselves, being able to pin them at bridge+water and double doors.

Distancing/shortening the spawn, shortening the bridge, opening (redesigning) double doors should go a long way, more than adding barriers and stuff(?).

Don't think anyone said it's bad to make remakes :? I've actually read and thought myself that remaking a map can teach a lot. Hopefully the idea would be to spawn something much different, but "fixing" would be great.

I'm afraid that aiming to remake very popular maps is never gonna pay back in terms of popularity. But I dunno, maybe one can get lucky.

yeah I probably overreacted because I myself has trouble at first with my map because I felt people were kinda aggressive because they thought I was bad and so were my ideas and that it couldn't progress. And I think that was unfair, and I felt it was happening too to Tensei right there, and I felt like I had to help him

Yes, some comments are harsh and can understand that's depressing. Think that's what gamers say when they see maps on the workshop though. They are brutal.

Quote from blackdog

Yes, some comments are harsh and can understand that's depressing. Think that's what gamers say when they see maps on the workshop though. They are brutal.

you may be right, but I guess I hoped the mapcore community wouldn't react like the cs go community.

Quote from Tensei

Well, to go 'pro' you must be able to withstand any kind of critics.

yeah good luck with that

Hello epic gamers. I have actually been working on an aztec remake with a different main approach to A and an improved lower A area. Additionally I changed lower A's entrances. Marked Red is the bridge of old and marked blue are stairs to lower from the new adjoining passage. Also, marked in black is an additional passage to B. I'll post the other changes I made if anyone gives a rat's ass about this rework ?