HATRED

Wow so many social justice warriors here.

It's just Postal 1 with updated graphics and a cheesy trailer monologue.

I don't think that the term 'social justice warrior' really applies here, if people find the content distasteful then that's a very different phenomenon.

I don't have that much of a problem with this game's existence because I think that any creative work has a right to exist, but it's not difficult to see why people might find this game's presentation of its theme upsetting or offensive — particularly those who happen to live somewhere like the US or Norway where indiscriminate shooting rampages have occurred quite recently.

Offense is always worse the closer to home it hits. For example, if you've ever been raped or know/love someone who has, then you're most likely going to find a game like RapeLay which allows you to go ahead and do just that quite difficult to accept. If you live in France, you might find a game based around breaking into newspaper organisations and shooting up their staff inflammatory. If you live in Poland, you might not be impressed by a game that lets you simulate harassing Jewish people.

I think that when a game like this comes along, it's important to remember that offensive material is always relative, and there is no black and white. Just be understanding of other peoples' feelings, don't try to upset or antagonise them, and above all accept that regardless of what we might prefer censorship is wrong and all expressions of creativity have a right to exist so long as they don't actually break laws and cause harm to others.

Going forward, there are only going to be more games that cross lines and appeal to the fetishist/niche tastes out there, kind of like how there's pornography available to suit every interest. I think I made this point in an earlier post, but I predict that interactive entertainment as a whole is going to split. There're going to be the traditional games we all know and love, but also more simulators that explore the limits of sex and violence — probably utilising things like Oculus Rift to make the experience even more realistic.

We can already see this happening, and while I won't judge anyone for enjoying such entertainment, I also believe that like porn they don't belong in shops or online stores along with everything else due to their obvious potential to trigger distress, and of course they're incredibly unsuitable for children to even see advertised. Instead, they should be available via vendors specific to that kind of thing. Kind of like how you might be disgusted by certain categories of porn, you just have to accept it and not waste your life worrying about them, and you don't have to unless you go seeking out the sites that distribute that material.

It was fun to scroll through the thread seeing three guys defending a game that states "love it or hate it".

From an art point of view: Surely this is game art. But just let the people have their opinion about it.

I think everyone (even the youngest ones, who might not be allowed this game yet) understands the difference between real violence and game violence and there is no point in pointing it out with comparions. We get it: You like the game, others don't.

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I won't get to buy it legally in Germany anyways. They've put Dying Light on the index list which has at least some sort of comprehensible background and game mechanics. With this game: forget it!

Still, this will sell like shit 'n' doughnuts.

C'mon! Let's Rumble

Terrible. -5/10

A lot of wasted talent here imho.. and that last line "Welcome to your nightmare... motherfuckers"... really?

Edgy simulator 2015

can't kill children? I'm disappointed

Really, I kinda wish they game would have some modding possibility to change the theme a bit. Killing civilians could turn quite boring after a while. Tech and art wise, the game looks amazing to me.

Change people into zombies and everyone is happy. Will probably sell a shitload more too.

I love to feed this thread

I always take Extra Credit with a pinch of salt, it's a hit or miss show. Usually there isn't any argument or proofs for their claims, this is the case here. Common sense isn't proof.

Sadism can be found in lots of games and can be a fun and rewarding experience. Removing your portal in Portal 2 Coop so your friend drop to his death. Insta-killing an ennemy in CS at the start of a round so he have to wait for at least 2 or 3 minutes. Watching in delight an ennemy ragequit in any multiplayer game after you killed him. Crushing any ennemy in any competitive game in general. Playing in god mode. Being so good at a game no-one can do anything. Pissing on a dead body in Postal 2.

When you're winning in Worms and you have 4 or 5 worms against a single worm. How satisfying it can be to watch him beg for mercy and to hold the power to crush him as you wish.

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Just to give you a heads up, as you know (or not) the game was launched yesterday on Steam, they all ready have cash they put in to this project back, so I'm glad they are happy, and the game is COOL !

Just bought it. Most likely firing it up after work today.

Not available in Germany :lol:

Played through this last night. It's quite short (~3 hours), the army base level is a biatch, and let me tell you ... the game is so edgy that it becomes comical, you just can't take it seriously. You won't be crying blood and run around the streets with signs reading "BAN VIDEOGAMES" while linking articles from Kotaku or Polygon; just laugh at how ridiculous this is.

Oh yeah 10/10 GOTY.

Slightly (un)related: I just found out Uwe Boll released a sequel for Rampage in 2014. And he's raising funds to make a third.

Just imagine Hatred directed by Uwe Boll. Anyways saw a guy on YT who was trying NOT TO kill anyone in this game.I mean why you wouldn't wanna kill people in this gem? Or maybe i'm just a physopathic sunuvabitch and i feel an urge to exterminate population of the town of Hatred I was amazed when i got to know that you can drive a car into a house

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I always take Extra Credit with a pinch of salt, it's a hit or miss show. Usually there isn't any argument or proofs for their claims, this is the case here. Common sense isn't proof.

I agree. It's either that or providing basic information that is already well known, OR information easily deduced from a spur of logical thinking.