Cool, but what for?
What games made on this engine?
Engines accent:
Unity - for casual shit.
UE4 or CE3 - for big budget projetcs.
Sony Engine - what for?
Odd. Not sure entirely why they've done it but I might have a poke around with it. Another tool to add to the cv I suppose!
I don't get it. Maybe it's a glorified Marmoset but for whole Environments?
It's an open-source level design tool that you can hook up to your game engine. Not more, not less. Could be useful for indie game devs.
Quote from FrieChampIt's an open-source level design tool that you can hook up to your game engine. Not more, not less. Could be useful for indie game devs.
Yeap, look at this more like a module and less of a full blown engine like Unity.
Yeah, just a tool (in the spirit of ATF itself) to not waste time making a custom level editor. I find it odd how it's dependent upon C#/Windows though, with most engines/tools moving away from it.
It might grow into something big, it's a good idea to get a community early and find a path to progression. The problem it's there's literally nothing that is better then in UDK/UE4, Unity or CryEngine... And as I can see, there's a lot to do. It's a WYSIWYG editor but still it will look completely different in the engine...
It might grow into something big, it's a good idea to get a community early and find a path to progression. The problem it's there's literally nothing that is better then in UDK/UE4, Unity or CryEngine... And as I can see, there's a lot to do. It's a WYSIWYG editor but still it will look completely different in the engine...
Well, but to use all those engines you need to either pay a license or give whoever made them a cut of your profits if you're indie, whereas this tool is open-source.
Is it not hooked up at anything really? I think Sony has a free(?) game engine since many years, I remember finding about an OpenGL engine from them when I was dwelling into their site…
I find it odd how it's dependent upon C#/Windows though, with most engines/tools moving away from it.
Uh? 
I know about native support for Linux (and Mac)… but development on the penguin, is it really happening?
Quote from blackdogIs it not hooked up at anything really? I think Sony has a free(?) game engine since many years, I remember finding about an OpenGL engine from them when I was dwelling into their site…
Uh? I know about native support for Linux (and Mac)… but development on the penguin, is it really happening?UE4 and Source 2 are moving to support it, Unity already does. Cryengine is supporting Linux, I don't know if that includes the editor though. That's most of the engines that people are getting the tools to, that's pretty incredible.
Oh cool! I know about source, it was expected since they went on Linux and clearly when they lunched SteamOS; didn't know that UE4 was going to have Linux tools though!
It's built on ATF a FOSS framework Sony made for developing tools. For instance the uncharted editor was made with it. The benefits of ATF are great. One of the main things it handles is implicit save/load/undo which is a huge bitch to implement correctly.
Unfortunately the ATF library is a REALLY difficult library to get your head around. I spent 3-4 days with it and I'm still not exactly certain how to interface WPF with it (a GUI framework).
I think the level editor is a effort for them to show you how you would implement something like a level editor. Or to use as a starting point for your own custom level editor.
As for being dependant on Windows. They did a 1-2 hour talk on ATF and said that there's nothing in .NET they use that's too tied to windows that they couldn't switch to Mono and make it multiplat. They just havent bothered. I'm fully behind that decision too. Once I stopped focusing on making my gui application multiplatform I got 10X the work done and the quality of my applications went up significantly. Multi-platform native gui's are just huge messes and are terrible to maintain. If I were to go that route again I'd use something that's done in a hardware context so I don't have to worry about generalizing my design across 3 OS's or worse.
Also if they did port ATF to multiplat then WPF would be out. WPF is absolutely amazing for making game development tools. One of the best things Microsoft has ever done.
EDIT : Obviously in the case of something like Unity where they are selling the tool to customers multiplat is a valid concern but for a internal tool at a company it's a massive expensive liability. Whenever I use unity I can feel the pain of the GUI programmers there who had to use GTK#.
Also if anyone is interested here is a list of editors and game tools made with ATF. The list is very large and there's some very interesting projects in there.
What about using stuff like HTML (on WebKit), like the guys of Overgrowth did?
Think that epic is using gtk for their solution? I know it's painful to maintain, but if you are getting license money you could afford to adopt the best solution on each os? (I mean then 2-3 different guy systems).
Or could you have your own engine manage everything, have the tools run in it, have the GUI managed internally?
Is epic using GTK? I thought they developed their own Ui library.
And yes I'm currently a fan of having the engine or hardware context drive the gui. Doing that totally bypasses OS specific gotachs related to their UI's. There's a fair amount of downsides like you cant have floating windows outside of the hardware context screen (well maybe you can but it would be tough) but I think it's overall worth it.
Hell maybe even developing your app in scaleform or Iggy would be a good solution for a tool.
Also lately I've been using something called imgui for my hardware context gui's. It's pretty awesome, it interfaces with pretty much any renderer that uses buffers.
Quote from AlexMIs epic using GTK? I thought they developed their own Ui library.
Sorry i didnt phrase it correctly, that's what I meant asking 
because just for the fact that it's a total overhaul, I thought it was their own.Yeah I like much better the idea of in-engine tools as well 
I dunno the specifics of what you're talking so I might don't understand properly the windowing topic… but I think that Valve said that Steam was running on Source, or anyway their own window system, when it first released.
It looks like valve also made their own system.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2389…e-use-for-steam
I'm not sure if that's still the case though. Some answers on there indicate the whole thing might be running inside a browser.
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