MapCore CS:GO Playtesting 4.0

I would like to reserve this slot “Playtest 07.05.15” for my map “de_greece”.

Here you can download all the files needed ---> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=…cjQ&usp=sharing

Workshop link ---> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi…s/?id=422469689

I would like to request that a demo be made of the match for me to review. I would also like to request that after the match is over the admin enter these console commands for the players who stay...

sv_cheats 1

mp_maxmoney 48000

mp_startmoney 48000

mp_freezetime 1

mp_roundtime_defuse 60

mp_buy_anywhere 1

mp_buytime 99999

sv_infinite_ammo 1

mp_warmup_end

sv_showimpacts 1

sv_grenade_trajectory 1

mp_autoteambalance 0

mp_limitteams 0

mp_restartgame 1

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If there are any problems with the map files just let me know. Thank you so much for giving mappers this opportunity. Ill see you on the 7th!

I did everything how it should be, but somehow it's not working ...

Hello, here are the links for the playtest of Cadiz villa for 21, MaanMan thank for their valuable assistance...!

file bsp here --- https://www.dropbox.com/s/yrkewujpua2q…adiz_a.bsp?dl=0

workshop link --- http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi…s/?id=410815036

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I did everything how it should be, but somehow it's not working ...

post your radar and info file in here?

Hi, here's the link to the files for the playtesting of de_offshore !
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8AEH…wajA&authuser=0
Unfortunately i won't be there to see it live. But i will analyse everything after

For those of us who put in a request between the last schedule post and this new system being implemented, should we re-do it?

Great changes. Do you think the feedback plugin could highlight the 'goal' of each playtest during warmup? Just a thought

PREPARE YOURSELVES!

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I think the changes are great in that it will actually make the mappers spend more time on their maps, making sure they work before submitting them on the form. This may discourage some people from applying, but you win some you lose some.

The only problem I see with this is that you appareantly NEED a Mapcore thread. What if the person submitting doesn't want his map to be public at the time of the playtest? Not everybody wants to document their progress and I fail to see the why having a MapCore thread of your map is necessary when you have to state the "Additional info" and "Goal of the playtest".

if he (or she! you sexist ) doesn't want thier map to be public why would they do a public playtest?

Having a form to fill in and intentions to state will probably filter out a lot of the rushed_to_playtest deals. if people are discouraged from a playtest by a 12 field form then the playtest will probably be a waste of time too.

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so the thread doesn't make sence for both checking the map's quality and gathering the information about the map.

I believe you'll find the thread is a form of vetting, similar to the job of MaanMan. A good thread with solid documentation of the map can show dedication to it's creation, and can save time running around the map to see if it's broken. A lot of people create maps, have poorly maintained threads and do not respond to map critique.

The playtest is a public forum to come and show your map, receive feedback, give feedback and be involved in a community.

If you want to show it off, and do it your way, then you can do it somewhere else, because ignoring the feedback is a waste of a maptest slot that could have been used by someone more deserving.

The way I see it, that this is a good way of ensuring any map that's tested meets the minimum requirements to be played, subject to evaluation.

The changes look really nice for submission! My only real concern with it are, if you have a new bsp by the playtest, do what do you do?

Do you message a mod or just use the old version?

Edit: I put down the wrong date... I meant to put the 3rd of May, didn't see it was taken (nothing in answers, it was on page 52)

Sorry about this but I submitted de_cetza for a playtest but I realized the nav wasn't working. So here is the external download. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_k0UF…iew?usp=sharing

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Making a public thread would be the exact opposite of NOT showing it off. Sorry I thought this was an open discussion, I guess I'm undeserving for having an argumented opinion. I don't see this going anywhere so I'll refrain from any more comments.

OK, let me rewrite my statement as I can see how some of it may have come across, but don't be a martyr. You aren't being snubbed for having an opposing opinion, it's a discussion. Nowhere in my post did I say you were wrong.

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Playtests were becoming increasingly low quality due to maps lacking a correct sense of scale, missing radars, far too many routes, easily abusable angles, etc.

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Create a review system that makes sure maps meet a minimum standard regarding spawns/radar/buyzones/bombsites, as well as having a chance to suggest changes that may not have been clear to the original mapper before the map is tested which would have otherwise resulted in a poor experience.

I'm going to use borgking's carrier as an example: The first playtest was brutal, it was a complete lockout for Ts who couldn't take a step without being shot at from under a plane. This map could have very easily been improved before the test by removing/hiding the gaps under the planes. I can't comment on whether or not borgking was aware of it at the time and thought it would make an interesting feature or not, but I know the plane issue has since been improved.

Regarding keeping the map out of the public eye, there is an option to submit a portfolio. That could be a private imgur album of screenshots, or it could be your website portfolio showing previous level design work and a working knowledge of level design so we may trust your ability more.

The aim isn't to stop people from testing their map, the purpose is to still give feedback. Sometimes you don't need to play the map 5v5 / 10v10 to know how broken something is. It could literally be something as simple as "make sure the spawns face the right way then your map will be ok to be playtested" or "it's not a good idea to have CT and T looking at each other when they spawn into the map" and then you make the change and resubmit.

Coming back to my earlier point of "doing it your way". Some people don't listen to feedback, that's up to them, but we aren't going to test their map doesn't meet the basic criteria. Most maps won't be affected, and those that are will most likely be minor adjustments.

TL;DR: If this does cause problems then it will probably be reversed.

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I fail to see how I could be categorised as a martyr, like I said before - I back up my claims with arguments, unless they're refuted I'm not changing my opinion. That's how a discussion works.

For the third time now, I DO agree on having a form. I'm happy you realised that what I'm going for is privacy. Some people prefer to have their work private and I'm happy it's an option, because on the form, it states that the portfolio is optional and the MapCore thread is a must, we wouldn't even be talking right now if what you said was stated there.

I don't think playtests should be a witch hunt about deciding who does and who doesn't follow feedback, just like the ideas of the creator, feedback may be flawed and ultimately it's what the mapper wants that should shape the end result. You can give feedback in game, privately, the maker can be selective who he wants feedback from, which like I said before, makes a MapCore thread unnecessary/optional. Analogy: you're asking the creator to make his idea out of clay so other people can deform it without his consent.

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Coming back to my earlier point of "doing it your way". Some people don't listen to feedback, that's up to them,

Come on...

Simple as this- if you want to playtest your map on a public server then you should have no qualms about privacy. your BSP is going to be getting downloaded by 20+ people to be deconstructed and analysed, this is what a playtest basically is.

A thread being posted beforehand doesn't just help the Admins (the guys providing this free service) to ensure the maps being tested meet a minimum standard but also introduces the map to the playtesters too so they can decide if they want to partake in a playtest or not. Flaws may be pointed out too so a playtest doesn't occur that wastes 19 peoples time.

I understand your point but I think your logic is flawed.