De_ruins

Very huge work on this map. Congrats.

I just done a few walktroughs on it, and my first impression (gameplay side) is about the path which is a bit complex.

If this is confirmed with playtests, maybe can you delete or simplify some parts ?

About the lighting, I also think that the sun could be a bit brighter.

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Id definitely wager to say you will definitely have people complaining about the number of paths to your bombsites. Look at dust 2 as a comparison:

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Lets say its one of those rounds there the entire CT team goes to one bombsite and Ts manage to plant really early on. Ts then have to defend the bombsite with zero knowledge of what entrance to the bombsite the CTs will take. In Dust2, one person can cover two entrances to either bombsite without any help, leaving the rest of the team to cover the one remaining entrance or help you out. Each bombsite has an area where the player can hide from all entrances but one (the top right and top left nooks on the image I posted). Now think of this situation in your map. No matter the positioning, it looks as if the player has almost no chance of defending due to the number of entrances to each bombsite. Ruins could definitely use with some path removal.

Another thing that might be frustrating is your overview map is confusing near B/mid near B. From looking at just the overview, I have not a clue which path goes over/under what or anything. While IMMEDIATE understanding of the layout map is not a requirement, it definitely says something about the simplicity of your paths.

That being said, I look forward to testing it and hope my critique here is proven wrong

EDIT: Also for the record, I definitely mentioned there were too many paths during the last play test, but Im not sure if you were there. Its better to make posts like this anyways.

Just had a game with bots.

Visually speaking this map is top of the bill!

I do agree that it is a bit dark in a lot of places. Sometimes you're having a hard time noticing ennemies.

And there are indeed a lot of paths. It's been a while since the playtest with dev textures (the only one I could attend ), but from my memory the layout was much easier to grasp then (could also be partially the level of detail the map now consists of). Some routes are quite hard to notice, especially ladders:

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I think it'd be better to simplify the layout. I know it may be quite drastic, but here are some suggestions:

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That being said, the map offers a nice bit of height variation and great fights. And again, visually it's pure sex Nice job!

I disagree with you, it's currently already playable, you just have to learn the map (it's the same for beginners to CS, it's hard to learn maps like nuke or inferno at the beginning).

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Red arrows are T paths

Blue points are CT example

Dust2 :

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I don't think it's time for changes like the T spawn size and I think it's useless anyway. When you know the map, you know where you have to go and it's a great thing that you can get cover if you want to keep your weapon, no matters how many covers there are.

Downloading now and going to give it a run through

Had a playthrough with bots.

It's beeeautiful! I love the red flowers here and there. Nice touch.

About 3 or 4 watermelons found so far!

My complaints are the same as the ones posted here previously: dark spots and some ladders are difficult to see.

Hey man, I played through the map on my own, found a few issues. The ones stated above sound about right, but I found a lot of bugs with the bomb. I think you need to do a full clipping pass on objects / floor boards / ect... that it can fall through.

There were also quite a few spots that looked like I could jump into as a get away spot but were just art closets that had watermelons in them.

Also, quite a bit of detail on the walls made it hard to find my enemies as quick as I would like to.

I took a few screenshots while I played.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/generalvivi…&view=imagewall

well if you need help with that, let me know.

Such a shame you didn't finish it on schedule man, would have been a great entry. That's a great map you have there nonetheless, looking forward to play it soon!

Really apreciate your work, keep it up!

You should enlight your ladders way much more, this path isn't enough visible imo, I personnaly would put some lantern near the ladders too catch the eye of the player.

Best MS paint ever.

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The ladder problem is because of the rich textures in the background, and the ladders being dark themselves. That, more than the surroundings, imo. [url='']I mean[/url]...

Don't need to go to such an extreme, but what about a more uniform surface behind and/or using a brighter texture for the ladder itself in conjunction?

If you remember where they are - shouldn't be a problem!

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If you remember where they are - shouldn't be a problem!

This is a terrible mindset to adhere too if you want to go anywhere in level design. First time playability and continuous readability is very important.

I read that as sarcasm