Quote from DazeAnd are you seriously saying we should NOT strive for a world where anyone could go anywhere, dressed anyhow, and feel safe?
Dude sure ... But huh... good luck to feminism.
I wouldn't try to convince the 6 drunken guys who would break my teeth on the pavement to steal the 20 euros i have because they noticed i was walking wearing a smoking vest, a pair of underwear and a cowboy hat while playing tamtam at 3am in an insecure suburb.
(i don't do that very often)
What I hate about Anita is the fact that everytime her name is brought up it instantly turns into flame war. Sure she raises some valid points but there are much more important causes people could be acting on or spending their time on. Humanity has been like for millenniums, videogames are just a reflection of society not the cause of the problem.
This reminds me of Fox News anchors blaming videogames for school shootings and shit like that, when even though the real causes for those events are much deeper they never get any air time. Organizations like Fox News and people like Anita are in the business of attention, they distract people from real problems and pitch them against each other to benefit from it. As a rule of thumb, if you choose a cause to follow which feeds on the "us vs them" paradigm you should probably get out of it immediately as it's likely to be bullshit.
Tbh if some women feel they are under appreciated in games they should either:
- Start their own studios and make games the way they think games should be.
- Boycott games they disapprove.
What have 15 pages of discussion on this thread or even millions of views on her youtube videos accomplished so far? I dunno, but sites like kotaku, jezebel and polygon are definitely making some money out of this.
Quote from MinosDisplay MoreWhat I hate about Anita is the fact that everytime her name is brought up it instantly turns into flame war. Sure she raises some valid points but there are much more important causes people could be acting on or spending their time on. Humanity has been like for millenniums, videogames are just a reflection of society not the cause of the problem.
This reminds me of Fox News anchors blaming videogames for school shootings and shit like that, when even though the real causes for those events are much deeper they never get any air time. Organizations like Fox News and people like Anita are in the business of attention, they distract people from real problems and pitch them against each other to benefit from it. As a rule of thumb, if you choose a cause to follow which feeds on the "us vs them" paradigm, you should probably get out of it immediately as it's likely to be bullshit.
Tbh if some women feel they are under appreciated in games they should either:
- Start their own studios and make games the way they think games should be.
- Boycott games they disapprove.
What have 15 pages of discussion on this thread or even millions of views on your youtube video accomplished so far? I dunno, but sites like kotaku, jezebel and polygon are definitely making some money out of this.
Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change? Sure, OK go ahead and be the change you wan't to see in the world, because bitching and moaning wont get it fixed, it will only lead to dispair and focusing on shit like this is so pointless to me.
We're an inperfect race, with two inperfect genders. People want to work towards achieving perfection, start by looking in the fucking mirror and work towards a greater good. All I see here is a bunch of people pointing fingers and in the end, you got nothing to show for it.
If that Sarkesian chick wants games that catter to her and her cult, she should have kickstarted for a gamedev studio to make a change, instead she decided to be in the business of attention seeking, where she's playing you all like a fiddle.
Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change? Sure, OK go ahead and be the change you wan't to see in the world, because bitching and moaning wont get it fixed, it will only lead to dispair and focusing on shit like this is so pointless to me.
We're an inperfect race, with two inperfect genders. People want to work towards achieving perfection, start by looking in the fucking mirror and work towards a greater good. All I see here is a bunch of people pointing fingers and in the end, you got nothing to show for it.
If that Sarkesian chick wants games that catter to her and her cult, she should have kickstarted for a gamedev studio to make a change, instead she decided to be in the business of attention seeking, where she's playing you all like a fiddle.
How is that any different from what I'm saying? (not directed at you Helder). That's my whole point. Be the change instead of bitching that people should change it for you 
Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change?
Awareness. The videos are about education, not advocacy.
Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change? Sure, OK go ahead and be the change you wan't to see in the world, because bitching and moaning wont get it fixed, it will only lead to dispair and focusing on shit like this is so pointless to me.
We're an inperfect race, with two inperfect genders. People want to work towards achieving perfection, start by looking in the fucking mirror and work towards a greater good. All I see here is a bunch of people pointing fingers and in the end, you got nothing to show for it.
If that Sarkesian chick wants games that catter to her and her cult, she should have kickstarted for a gamedev studio to make a change, instead she decided to be in the business of attention seeking, where she's playing you all like a fiddle.
In the end, this is just a dismissal of any criticism. Some people don't know how or simply do not want to make games, so they then have to criticize what's out there right now. The whole "why don't you do better" response is a shitty cop-out to get out of taking a look at how you can improve. It's a possibility that the people making the games under analysis here simply don't realize the impact of their design choices. This project isn't out there to say games are shit, it's taking a deeper look at how they can improve, as criticism should.
I was gonna write one long-ass post about the presentation of females in media when I realized...
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BRB gotta earn some millions now
Alright i see where this thread is going ...
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Someone hasn't played Typing of the Dead: Overkill, I see.
Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change? Sure, OK go ahead and be the change you wan't to see in the world, because bitching and moaning wont get it fixed, it will only lead to dispair and focusing on shit like this is so pointless to me.
We're an inperfect race, with two inperfect genders. People want to work towards achieving perfection, start by looking in the fucking mirror and work towards a greater good. All I see here is a bunch of people pointing fingers and in the end, you got nothing to show for it.
If that Sarkesian chick wants games that catter to her and her cult, she should have kickstarted for a gamedev studio to make a change, instead she decided to be in the business of attention seeking, where she's playing you all like a fiddle.
In the end, this is just a dismissal of any criticism. Some people don't know how or simply do not want to make games, so they then have to criticize what's out there right now. The whole "why don't you do better" response is a shitty cop-out to get out of taking a look at how you can improve. It's a possibility that the people making the games under analysis here simply don't realize the impact of their design choices. This project isn't out there to say games are shit, it's taking a deeper look at how they can improve, as criticism should.
I'm not dismissing the criticism but I'm not gonna waste any energy on something that I can't solve. In fact I might even be part of the "problem", because as a man who admires women and consider them superior than men in many areas (including their physical beauty why not?), I'd rather play a game with sexychicks than a game with non-sexy chicks. It's an aesthetics preference, I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise lol.
Does that make me a rapist or a wife beater? Does playing GTA make someone violent? I don't think so.
Imo this is one of those cases of when you have a hammer everything looks like nails, and the more energy on spend on it the deeper you bury your head in the sand.
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Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change?
Awareness. The videos are about education, not advocacy.
Hahahahaha, no.
No they are fucking not. They are entirely about her grabbing attention, much like most media. How naive you must be to think otherwise.
Seriously look at this thread for 1 fucking second, you have a bunch of MEN saying this is a huge issue for women, 1 woman saying this is a huge issue for women and a bunch of MEN saying it isn't.
How about stand the fuck back and let women as a group push this if it is an issue for them, or aren't they capable?
Quote from Vilham
Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change?
Awareness. The videos are about education, not advocacy.
Hahahahaha, no.
No they are fucking not. They are entirely about her grabbing attention, much like most media. How naive you must be to think otherwise.
Seriously look at this thread for 1 fucking second, you have a bunch of MEN saying this is a huge issue for women, 1 woman saying this is a huge issue for women and a bunch of MEN saying it isn't.
How about stand the fuck back and let women as a group push this if it is an issue for them, or aren't they capable?
So you suggest men keep making games unwelcoming to women and everything will work itself out? Wtf
No I'm suggesting you stop speaking for women, you aren't one.
And before you come back with "well anita is one too", nigel farage is also a white british person, sure as fuck doesn't mean he speaks for us all.
Was posting some stuff, but would rather just end it at this. I have no interest in this debate with you.
Quote from VilhamNo I'm suggesting you stop speaking for women, you aren't one.
And before you come back with "well anita is one too", nigel farage is also a white british person, sure as fuck doesn't mean he speaks for us all.
Being a man isn't an excuse to be shitty. The whole problem is men and women aren't working together to fix this. Being a man also doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on how women are treated in games, which I've pretty much always thought was shitty.
Haha, you still don't get it.
There is a great south park episode that completely covers people like you, someone that starts in the, I don't think you have an issue camp and then someone that thinks they get what the other person is seeing.
Quote from VilhamHaha, you still don't get it.
There is a great south park episode that completely covers people like you, someone that starts in the, I don't think you have an issue camp and then someone that thinks they get what the other person is seeing.
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Wow, I never thought of it like that, just because I'm a dude I have to be okay with bad design because after all, I'm not a woman! Thanks!
Quote from Vilham
Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change?
Awareness. The videos are about education, not advocacy.
Hahahahaha, no.
No they are fucking not. They are entirely about her grabbing attention, much like most media. How naive you must be to think otherwise.
Seriously look at this thread for 1 fucking second, you have a bunch of MEN saying this is a huge issue for women, 1 woman saying this is a huge issue for women and a bunch of MEN saying it isn't.
How about stand the fuck back and let women as a group push this if it is an issue for them, or aren't they capable?
Whatever your clearly very informed and rational opinion might be, everything Sarkesian has put out for Tropes vs Women has been framing it as an educational video series, exploring common themes that are reflective of problematic views about women.
I'm baffled by your point about gender. The majority of the participants in this discussion about feminism on a forum about videogame level design are dudes, or at least let you think they're dudes because being a woman on the internet, especially in places where dudes are being hostile to feminism, isn't a nice experience. This proves what for you, exactly?
Wow, I never thought of it like that, just because I'm a dude I have to be okay with bad design because after all, I'm not a woman! Thanks!
No you don't have to be "okay" with it. But neither do you get to be the voice for women. I like I said, you don't get it.
Quote from Jetsetlemming
Finally someone talking some sense on this silly fucking thread.
What's the point, really? What is there to gain? Change?
Awareness. The videos are about education, not advocacy.
Hahahahaha, no.
No they are fucking not. They are entirely about her grabbing attention, much like most media. How naive you must be to think otherwise.
Seriously look at this thread for 1 fucking second, you have a bunch of MEN saying this is a huge issue for women, 1 woman saying this is a huge issue for women and a bunch of MEN saying it isn't.
How about stand the fuck back and let women as a group push this if it is an issue for them, or aren't they capable?
Whatever your clearly very informed and rational opinion might be, everything Sarkesian has put out for Tropes vs Women has been framing it as an educational video series, exploring common themes that are reflective of problematic views about women.
I'm baffled by your point about gender. The majority of the participants in this discussion about feminism on a forum about videogame level design are dudes, or at least let you think they're dudes because being a woman on the internet, especially in places where dudes are being hostile to feminism, isn't a nice experience. This proves what for you, exactly?
You can claim agian that her videos are "educational" but that does not make it true. The only education gleamed from it is her opinion of these characters, if she had truely wished to create any thing educational with the money she raised she could have done a wide reaching study into other peoples opinions of those characters. A survey asking a balanced ratio of female and male gamers non loaded questions about characters of both genders would give a very good suggestion of any imbalance or perceived imbalance in characters in video games.
Exactly why this thread is retarded, a bunch of dudes speaking on behalf of the unknown opinion of women.
This thread reminds me of the days when we still had a "Politics" forum section. Ahh memories...
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