Tropes vs Women in Video Games

    Quote from Jetsetlemming

    Yes. Girls are raised from birth to fulfill a feminine role, which is not one of computer science or engineering. Women are absolutely capable of programming and designing things, but are told their entire lives that they must be pretty and focus on aesthetics and other people and be nice and kind and polite and respectful and defer to others and be a wife and be a mom and be a caretaker. This is what those mean ole feminists are talking about when they talk about the Patriarchy. Do you think that most nurses are women and most doctors are men because of an innate biological difference? Do you attribute anything whatsoever except the differences in reproductive role to innate biological differences which are universal per-gender? If so, how do you square people who aren't "normal" male or female on the biological spectrum, such as those with XYY, Adrenal Insensitivity or Hyperactivity, Hermaphroditus, etc?

    I'm pretty sure I clarified my position this very clearly, so I’m not sure why you’re assuming I said the differences were mostly biological. Now you’ve now taken this to the extreme of me denying cisgende/cissexual people exist, which is a blatant misrepresentation. If you do this again I will just exit this conversation with a big fuck you.

    There is a different to men and women being uninterested in jobs because of gender roles (which we can and should change) and being uninterested in jobs because of an active sexist discrimination from those within it. Nursing is a female dominated profession; is this evidence of an activate discrimination within nursing to stop men taking these jobs? I would say, like the above, it is not.

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    Yes. Girls are raised from birth to fulfill a feminine role, which is not one of computer science or engineering. Women are absolutely capable of programming and designing things, but are told their entire lives that they must be pretty and focus on aesthetics and other people and be nice and kind and polite and respectful and defer to others and be a wife and be a mom and be a caretaker.

    That bullshit imo in todays western world. Girls/women have access to the same ressources as men. Girls are also intelligent human beings who can make up their own mind about what they want to be and what they want to do. If you say all that is decided by external factors and not their own capability to make decisions then you are undermining their intellect. And guess what that's sexist as fuck.

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    This is what those mean ole feminists are talking about when they talk about the Patriarchy. Do you think that most nurses are women and most doctors are men because of an innate biological difference? Do you attribute anything whatsoever except the differences in reproductive role to innate biological differences which are universal per-gender? If so, how do you square people who aren't "normal" male or female on the biological spectrum, such as those with XYY, Adrenal Insensitivity or Hyperactivity, Hermaphroditus, etc?

    I recommend you watch this documentary. There are indeed biological reasons why males and females get attracted to different occupations tendentionaly. There are always exceptions from the rule and im totaly fine with that. That's what equality is about to not put obstacles in their way.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrsF7wyUxs8

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    To Steppenwolf: Mainstream feminism doesn't want to take away your porn, your ridiculous fantasy wobbly women, or your damsels in distress. The problem is their over representation and domination of the depictions of women in general, not their very existence.

    Oh yes they do. Anita doesn't promote more variation she wants these things gone. Just watch her old videos and the things she complains about. If she thinks a sexy ad for Bayonetta promotes sexual assault then of course she wants to see such things gone.

    You are completely right about the over representation tho. I agree with that and said it before in this thread. But the burden to even this out isn't just on men. Females have to participate if they want change. Like in one video complains Anita that wikipedia is 90% dominated by males. Then what stops her and other females from registering there, learn how it works and what the rules are and then start writing articles herself? And it's the same for every other medium that she criticises. Comics are dominated with male themes? Then find some women who like comics and start drawing some damn comics. It's not even like you need anyones permission or money nowadays to create any kind of content in a time where a shit load of stuff gets released on the internet by indie people.

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    I'm pretty sure I clarified my position this very clearly, so I’m not sure why you’re assuming I said the differences were mostly biological. Now you’ve now taken this to the extreme of me denying cisgende/cissexual people exist, which is a blatant misrepresentation. If you do this again I will just exit this conversation with a big fuck you.

    There is a different to men and women being uninterested in jobs because of gender roles (which we can and should change) and being uninterested in jobs because of an active sexist discrimination from those within it. Nursing is a female dominated profession; is this evidence of an activate discrimination within nursing to stop men taking these jobs? I would say, like the above, it is not.

    You misunderstood me, I apologize. I'm not accusing you of being transphobic or believing things are "mostly biological." I'm the one taking an extreme point here. I'm claiming that, for the biological differences between the two primary sexes (distinct from the biologically variety between individual people or families), they do not have any influence on our lives beyond reproduction. Even the supposed differences higher levels of androgen or estrogen are easily countered by individual variety, such as sensitivity to these hormones, and current body state. Women are not the "weaker sex," rather men are trained to be strong. Women are not the "emotional sex," boys are strictly forbidden from displaying strong emotions. Women are not the "artistic sex," boys are demanded to be practical in focus. These are gender roles enforced by the cultural stereotypes we see every single day when we look at media. There is no reason for this, beyond the arbitrary cultural tradition of male-dominated western culture.

    I'll continue this later, but for now I've got to go, so I'll leave you with this:

    http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/a-work-of-artifice/

    Quote from Jetsetlemming

    You misunderstood me, I apologize. I'm not accusing you of being transphobic or believing things are "mostly biological." I'm the one taking an extreme point here. I'm claiming that, for the biological differences between the two primary sexes (distinct from the biologically variety between individual people or families), they do not have any influence on our lives beyond reproduction. Even the supposed differences higher levels of androgen or estrogen are easily countered by individual variety, such as sensitivity to these hormones, and current body state. Women are not the "weaker sex," rather men are trained to be strong. Women are not the "emotional sex," boys are strictly forbidden from displaying strong emotions. Women are not the "artistic sex," boys are demanded to be practical in focus. These are gender roles enforced by the cultural stereotypes we see every single day when we look at media. There is no reason for this, beyond the arbitrary cultural tradition of male-dominated western culture.

    I'll continue this later, but for now I've got to go, so I'll leave you with this:

    http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/a-work-of-artifice/

    Nice how again instead of providing some evidence for your claims you appeal to emotion via a poem. It's the same shtick Anita thrives on.

    Not to mention it's obvious nonsense what you write. Again watch the documentary i linked above.

    If men and women are equal biologicaly outside of reproduction organs then why we still seperate them in physically demanding sporting activities? Because if both are trained to be strong the male athletes still have a physical advantage for biologic reasons.

    Who forbids boys to show emotion? It's 2013 not the 1950's. If it still happens it's an issue not a cultural norm. Women the "artistic sex"? Now you're pulling stuff out of your ass. I haven't even heard of such a stereotype and how can that be considering how many famous artists have been males throughout the ages?

    If you don't happen to live in a sharia state you can't say with a straight face that anyone is enforcing these stereotypes. Culture and social norms are shifting. They have been for the last 50-100 years and will continue to.

    If you're not happy with how things are you have everything at your disposal to make an individual effort to accelerate cultural shift. You do that by creating culturaly relevant content not by moaning about patriarchy.

    It was a quick post in the morning before I had to go to class, bro. I didn't have time to go citing evidence, I was just clarifying my point of view (which, incidentally, is backed up by my education in psychology, biology, and cultural studies).

    As an aside, the fact that you dismiss poetry as a worthless appeal to emotion, instead of trying to analyze what it means and think about why I shared it, is a point of view instilled upon you by popular culture and society. Somewhere in an alternate universe, you're writing poetry yourself to express your frustration that someone on the internet disagrees with you.

    Quote from Jetsetlemming

    It was a quick post in the morning before I had to go to class, bro. I didn't have time to go citing evidence, I was just clarifying my point of view (which, incidentally, is backed up by my education in psychology, biology, and cultural studies).

    As an aside, the fact that you dismiss poetry as a worthless appeal to emotion, instead of trying to analyze what it means and think about why I shared it, is a point of view instilled upon you by popular culture and society. Somewhere in an alternate universe, you're writing poetry yourself to express your frustration that someone on the internet disagrees with you.

    Appeal to emotion is a fallacy so yes i have to dismiss it when i asked for evidence over and over again over the last few pages. And to clarify your position you should perhaps start to share some of your own opinions and argumentations instead of letting others do the guesswork.

    I'm actually enjoying all this discussion.

    It's good to see that many people share the same opinion as mine. I didn't complement the discussion for the simple reason that what I had in mind had already been said. So no repetition from my part.

    I didn't feel any strong argument (if there were any) in the first video of the series, and maybe something will change on the next ones. Maybe.

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    I have a feeling that between this video and the one from the girl on the site before everything has been said that is to be said about "Women vs. Tropes Part 1".

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