Imprisoned indefinitely without due process.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... ity_usa_dc

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration is preparing plans for possible lifetime detention of suspected terrorists, including hundreds whom the government does not have enough evidence to charge in courts, The Washington Post reported Sunday.Citing intelligence, defense and diplomatic officials, the newspaper said the Pentagon (news - web sites) and the CIA (news - web sites) had asked the White House to decide on a more permanent approach for those it would not set free or turn over to courts at home or abroad.

As part of a solution, the Defense Department, which holds 500 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, plans to ask the U.S. Congress for $25 million to build a 200-bed prison to hold detainees who are unlikely to ever go through a military tribunal for lack of evidence, defense officials told the newspaper.

The new prison, dubbed Camp 6, would allow inmates more comfort and freedom than they have now, and would be designed for prisoners the government believes have no more intelligence to share, The Post said.

"It would be modeled on a U.S. prison and would allow socializing among inmates," the paper said.

"Since global war on terror is a long-term effort, it makes sense for us to be looking at solutions for long-term problems," Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, was quoted as saying. "This has been evolutionary, but we are at a point in time where we have to say, 'How do you deal with them in the long term?"'

A Pentagon spokeswoman, Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke of the Air Force, had no information on the reported plan.

The Post said the outcome of a review under way would also affect those expected to be captured in the course of future counterterrorism operations.

One proposal would transfer large numbers of Afghan, Saudi and Yemeni detainees from the U.S. military's Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention center into new U.S.-built prisons in their home countries, it said.

The prisons would be operated by those countries, but the State Department, where this idea originated, would ask them to abide by recognized human rights standards and would monitor compliance, a senior administration official was quoted as saying.

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I'd like to see someone defend this course of action. Aren't we supposed to be this shining example to the world about justice and freedom, and yet, we just find a loophole of jurisdiction to completely fuck over the entire lives of a group of people because of lack of evidence, not because they're guilty, but because we can't pin them as such.

Before some asshat points out "dahhhh, they's suspected terrists!' I'll make it known that yes, I know this, and they were arrested probably for a reason, but nevertheless they are due the same justice system as us all if we, as a nation, are holding them. To claim to be morally superior and then suddenly take the low road is pretty damned hypocritical.

Wow you're a fucking moron. I know no flames, but man you're a moron Duffy.

Just remember what you said about it not effecting you, and it not mattering. I'm gonna bring this up whenever you mention a bunch of red-state crap about abortion (you're a male, doesn't effect you) and gay-marriage (you're not gay, nor married, doesn't effect you).

PS: thanks for not contributing and shitting up the thread.

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You are naive to think that justice and freedom is for all.If you are evil no justice nor freedom should rightly befall you.

Instead of cryptic bullshit, howabout supporting your claims with some facts, an anecdote perhaps or say a decent source.

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Fact/anecdote and source of what?

If your evil, justice is that you have no freedom.

What in that sentence could possibly need a verification?

So...guilty until proven innocent eh? :roll:

There, much better. That's all I was asking for, reasonable, intelligent debate.

True it is an unconvential war, however it seems that you tiptoe around the main issue that is the focus of this article. The ones that are being detained indefinitely have no charges brought against them, they're held because they lack evidence. If they're just prisoners of war, they should just cut through the politic bullshit tape and call them such. That's fine, and there are rules for that as well. However, this isn't a nation we're fighting, this is a multi-national cause that, much like the "Drug War" has no viable, or immediate end in sight. In wars, the prisoners are eventually let go after the battles are done and the dust has settled, but to think that this "War on Terror" will end within my lifetime, let alone within the span of 10 years is nearly laughable.

If we are to become a beacon of justice, freedom and proof against the backlash of Anti-Americanism that's sprung up around the globe, the best way to do this is to maintain our idealized stance on justice and freedom. Not just for our own people, but for all. We are the last super power, and much like the Roman Empire was nothing more than Italy with a lot of trade contracts, we are no different. We essentially "rule" the world, and to maintain that rule we must lead by example, not by stooping to their level or compromising our values.

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That is not an option in this war. Human rights apply to humans, not these types of murderers.

First you say you don't know if there's evidence against them, then you label them murderers. Now, I'm not saying they're all innocent, far from it. They got picked up for a reason, now, was it so grievous a reason to take away years of their lives? That's the question. If we are to promote peace, justice and the American Way we must stick to our guns on our policies and be a beacon for the world to look to. Not dropping our rules of justice whenever they see fit.

Such lapses in judgement only make our nation as a whole look guilty and powerhungry. It takes from the whole image we'd want to put forth, of a benevolent force, there for the common good, and thwarting the real terrorists and murderers.

Label them POWs if you wanna hold them 'til the end of all of this, but that involves admitting that this really is a war, and actually declaring war in the first place. That's a whole 'nother can of worms though.