Playstation 4

4k... that's a lot of pixels to render in games / a lot of pixels to store for movies

not sure it's worth the "cost" (performance/space/bandwidth). i'm fine with 1080p...

120hz first this way games don't have to be upper bounded by 60fps.

PC gamers with two monitors are accostumed to 2560 x 1080, wider than 1920, not so gpu taxing as 4k.

Imagine linking 2 TV's together like you would with a monitor... xD

I only need 24 fps, if I could get 4k instead of these puny little resolutions... People discussing if PS4 or XBone is more powerful is like kids discussing who's got the bigger wheels on their bobbycart. You're not buying a console because of the better resolution in Call of Duty. If you're concerned about resolution and framerate, buy a PC. If you like console comfort, then it just comes down to if you like XBL or PSN better and what your friends are using.

Do you say that you only need 24 fps because you are thinking of the 24 motion-blurred FPS of movies?

i can't live with 24 fps D:

e freak got a point there, but damn, i coulnd live with games 24 FPS, it's a HUGE difference between 24 and 60 frames dude

24 FPS is pretty shit even in movies where motion blurring hides a lot of it, at least for pans and such. 24 FPS in gaming is madness, lol. 30 FPS is an absolute minimum as far as I'm concerned. For me, 1080p (the maximum 99% of living room gamers can actually perceive) with as high a frame rate as possible is what developers should be targeting.

Also the 'just go buy a PC' argument really sucks. Consoles have lots of great exclusives, and even when games are available on the PC it's often much later and with compromises — things are getting better, but we ain't there yet. And of course couch gaming is more difficult on a PC, at least until we enter the Steam Machine world.

Don't you think we'd all just have PCs in our living rooms if it were practical? I've actually had a Crysis-spec PC in my living room which I used for gaming for a year and it was a constant pain in the ass in almost every way. Saying that we're not allowed to have an opinion on tech specs and performance because we haven't invested in a powerhouse PC...

Sitting in front of the TV and playing games is SO much better than sitting at a desk. It's just uncomfortable sitting at a desk (no matter how comfy your chair is!). That's the one thing that pisses me off about PC-only players and their hatred for consoles.. Try it, it feels so much nicer! You feel like you're actually enjoying playing a game rather than working at your desk

There's also the social element. If you live with someone or have people come over to play games it's not exactly practical (or comfortable) to sit lined up in front of your desk.

Steam Box will hopefully solve this

the reason why we need higher framerates is two-parted:

a) we want maximum re-action time and instant recognition of anything moving on screen. If you play Quake 3 Arena, sure, max the framerate out. But if you play some dude-bro-singleplayer-military-shooter where the AI never hits you in the first place, I'd rather go for resolution than framerate.

b) video games had/have shitty motionblur apart from the Crysis series (at least I didn't see anything come close recently) and without Motionblur you can more clearly pick out stuttering. The reason why movies get away with 24 fps is because naturally you have camera motionblur that allows your eyes to blend naturally between the frames. Give better Motionblur to games and people won't mind the lower framerates (again: Not Quake3 approved, where you need to see the outline of everyone crystal clear).

so - if someone asks if I want, say Uncharted in 4k at 24fps or 720p at 60fps (hypothetically, i know technically its not as easy), I'd rather have the higher resolution, as long as the framerate is stable.

Agree on the 4k thing.

The fact that phone companies are starting to work on 4k phones is ridiculous. A reduction in battery life for a resolution almost no one is going to be able to discern. I don't even care about 4k on my 52 inch TV. I would rather have a 1080p 60fps world with say (pulling this out of my ass) 4X the detail than a 4k environment without the details.

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Sitting in front of the TV and playing games is SO much better than sitting at a desk. It's just uncomfortable sitting at a desk (no matter how comfy your chair is!). That's the one thing that pisses me off about PC-only players and their hatred for consoles.. Try it, it feels so much nicer! You feel like you're actually enjoying playing a game rather than working at your desk

Tried it, liked it, but I still prefer my PC chair and desk. You must be sat on the Throne of Swords from GOT. (not comfy)

Yeah I agree, I've become a massive couch gamer and have basically no desire to make my home office computer gamer grade. Benefits:

• Can enjoy time with girlfriend (or drive her out the room with loud shooting if I want privacy )
• Amazing sound set-up
• Big-ass screen
• Wonderfully soft sofa

Unfortunately there is a downside:

• Keyboard/mouse is too much of a pain in the ass

I'm hoping the Steam Controller will go some way towards finally killing that last downside, or at least minimising it to the point where it doesn't matter. If it does, I can honestly say I will never miss sitting alone in a chair at a desk while gaming.

Your PC is in your living room?

One day i will find unicorn, untill then i have sex even in my living room