GTA V

Fanboyism abuse :fist:

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I agree mate that's better than nothing, i don't have anything against it if people want to play it on ps4 anyway. I'm just confused this justify rebuying a game the full price. And especially that the customers who already bought it on PS3 are ok with it, when they would be pissed to pay for an update on steam. ( well ok it's called a DLC, but you pay it the price of a DLC ) You don't rebuy your car if your garage mechanic put a new chromed paint, a wing on the back and shiny pimp wheels.

I mean where is the customer respect my nice man

That was a proper port worth your money back then :

Damn i'm annoying, sorry. But that's because i'm not an enthusiast !!

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And the game should be free if you decide you want to play it on Xbox, when you own it already on PS3, right? The way I see it is that this is for people who are either really into the game and wish to keep playing it on a new platform, or for people just buying the game (or people re-buying because their PS3 shit itself ie me)

I bought the game day 1 on xbox, played about 20 hours, doing a few main missions, side missions and just roaming. I never went back to it because I'm a multiplayer guy (multi wasnt available at launch)

So.. I'm going to sell my used copy and I already pre-ordered a PC copy for 50$ (bestbuy E3 preorder offer) I'm going to have plenty of fun in Multiplayer doing machinmas and crazy stunts, finishing the single-player. Can't wait!!

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And the game should be free if you decide you want to play it on Xbox, when you own it already on PS3, right?

lol well yes, why would that sound absurd. But you would still need to pay for the material support and the price of the port.

I mean you don't pay 60 bucks for the physical storage right ? So most of your money is spent into the right of having access to an intellectual property. Why would you need to rebuy full price the access to the same content when you already bought it ? ( i know it doesn't work like that but let's be utopist ) It's all very arbitrary. If you buy a 3dsmax license for exemple, and loose the files, you can have a new one sent to you.

Now i have no idea if GtaV-ps3 ® and GtaV-Xbox ® would be two distincts intellectual properties ? Or if you give it away in the user contract when you buy the game.

Alright, it's in the end user license agreement, basically you sell your dignity. Stop buying video games guys !

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Subject to this Agreement and its terms and conditions, Licensor hereby grants you a nonexclusive, non-transferable, limited, and revocable right and license to use one copy of the Software for your personal, non-commercial use for gameplay on a single Game Platform (e.g. computer, mobile device, or gaming console).

The Software is licensed, not sold, to you, and you hereby acknowledge that no title or ownership in the Software is being transferred or assigned and this Agreement should not be construed as a sale of any rights in the Software.

I know exactly how you feel Koko, sometimes you can't voice a slightly more negative opinion around these parts, or everyone jumps on yer!

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I know exactly how you feel Koko, sometimes you can't voice a slightly more negative opinion around these parts, or everyone jumps on yer!

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lol well yes, why would that sound absurd. But you would still need to pay for the material support and the price of the port.

I mean you don't pay 60 bucks for the physical storage right ? So most of your money is spent into the right of having access to an intellectual property. Why would you need to rebuy full price the access to the same content when you already bought it ? ( i know it doesn't work like that but let's be utopist ) It's all very arbitrary. If you buy a 3dsmax license for exemple, and loose the files, you can have a new one sent to you.

Now i have no idea if GtaV-ps3 ® and GtaV-Xbox ® would be two distincts intellectual properties ? Or if you give it away in the user contract when you buy the game.

Alright, it's in the end user license agreement, basically you sell your dignity. Stop buying video games guys !

Subject to this Agreement and its terms and conditions, Licensor hereby grants you a nonexclusive, non-transferable, limited, and revocable right and license to use one copy of the Software for your personal, non-commercial use for gameplay on a single Game Platform (e.g. computer, mobile device, or gaming console).

The Software is licensed, not sold, to you, and you hereby acknowledge that no title or ownership in the Software is being transferred or assigned and this Agreement should not be construed as a sale of any rights in the Software.

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Why would you pay again for essentially the same product on a different platform? The porting job itself, certification, distribution, advertising, dev tools, the publisher and platform owners' cut, etc. Sadly, consoles are a much different beast from PC porting, where in most cases the port is free (and, I'd imagine, much easier to make in the first place). I wouldn't imagine this game specifically is very easy to just port over to other platforms because of just how much they have to squeeze onto Xbox and PS3, there was probably a great deal of re-optimizing for different platforms. And if they were to give everyone who owns the game some sort of discount because the same game looks the same a year later, it would be a logistical nightmare.

Take Valve's forays into trying this out as an example: Portal 2 doesn't go from PC to PS3, but it can go from PS3 to PC, with the code they give you. CS:GO, which started with PS3 and PC multiplayer, just had to have that cut because of the issues with trying to patch both platforms at the same time.

In a perfect world, yeah, games would go from PS3 to PS4 as easily as they go from Windows to OSX or Linux (which still isn't that easy), but in reality, lots of people have to get paid for this stuff to happen, as much as it looks like nothing is happening when looking at visual quality. And come on, it hasn't even been a year from the original release!

Quote from KoKo5oVaR

I agree mate that's better than nothing, i don't have anything against it if people want to play it on ps4 anyway. I'm just confused this justify rebuying a game the full price. And especially that the customers who already bought it on PS3 are ok with it, when they would be pissed to pay for an update on steam. ( well ok it's called a DLC, but you pay it the price of a DLC ) You don't rebuy your car if your garage mechanic put a new chromed paint, a wing on the back and shiny pimp wheels.

I mean where is the customer respect my nice man

That was a proper port worth your money back then :

Damn i'm annoying, sorry. But that's because i'm not an enthusiast !!

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You are not annoying. You have constructive criticism which is based on hard evidence. There's nothing wrong with that.

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I know exactly how you feel Koko, sometimes you can't voice a slightly more negative opinion around these parts, or everyone jumps on yer!

That's because you are a Ginger. Your opinion, positive or negative, is irrelevant because people will jump on you either way

Gingerist!

No it's ok because I have a ginger friend.

There arn't many games where i would ever consider to buy for multiple platforms or even replay the game but GTA 5 is one of them. So not sure what the point of a broader discussion is because to me it's just an curiosity. Also i sold my PS3 copy and PC copy hopefully isn't as expensive as console version so in the end i will have paid 60 altogether for both version. The game is easily worth that.

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Why would you pay again for essentially the same product on a different platform? The porting job itself, certification, distribution, advertising, dev tools, the publisher and platform owners' cut, etc. Sadly, consoles are a much different beast from PC porting, where in most cases the port is free (and, I'd imagine, much easier to make in the first place). I wouldn't imagine this game specifically is very easy to just port over to other platforms because of just how much they have to squeeze onto Xbox and PS3, there was probably a great deal of re-optimizing for different platforms. And if they were to give everyone who owns the game some sort of discount because the same game looks the same a year later, it would be a logistical nightmare.

I agree mate there's the porting costs, but it is still different from the cost of the development. I guess a porting team at the very large is around 7 coders and 2 chinese artists (no condescension) to optimize the game. Whereas the dev team would be around 100 people. And we aren't at the time of the snes and the megadrive anymore, the hardware architecture of the consoles are essentially the same, i mean they already share the same physical support, they could very well be running on the same library if their constructors wanted to, and that would drastically ease the pressure on the developers who won't have to rent dev kits costing you an arm (erm). But hey, again that's a whole lot of utopia

I would make such a bad businessman.

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I know exactly how you feel Koko, sometimes you can't voice a slightly more negative opinion around these parts, or everyone jumps on yer!

So true ...

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Quote from Pericolos0

Don't care so much about the graphics.. it already looks awesome on ps3, and it look basically thesame on ps4 with slightly higher res textures.

From the trailer it seems waaay better than that frankly.And if you haven't played it, I do not see the upgrade as a moneygrab.

Quote from KoKo5oVaR

I agree mate there's the porting costs, but it is still different from the cost of the development.

Also : steam takes 30%, Sony takes 30%, Microsoft takes 30% and every title they sell for their respective consoles (and AFAIK, they have monopole over disc printing... Only Sony can allow you to print a game for PS). And i'm not even talking about resellers who take their part of the cake... That's what i was told so, but i think this seems legit. A lots of people are making profit from the game you make.

Well yeah, it's more or so like the city renting marketplaces to you so you can have people buying your salads.

Because in the end it's not a proper transcendental value, but just what the customers are willingly ready to pay. But it's derailing the thread a bit.

Before I was like, naaah PS3 ver is good for me, but after this

I'm like - WHEN THIS IS OUT !?

Is it weird that the game i saw at e3 that im most excited for i already played?

I finally

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beat the Union Suppository heist last fucking night. Or was it Depository? Yes, I got the game the day it came out last year. Shows what 2 kids will do to your playing time.

In any event, I met with a Take 2 exec at E3 and asked about if my PS3 singleplayer progress would carry over to PS4 and he said yes. Then I checked elsewhere and it was GTA Online that would carry over and not singleplayer. Then I checked wikipedia and it said GTA Online only.

Then I thought (since I don't play much of the GTA Online) that if this is one of the few console games I like so much that I'd be willing to play it over again would I pay $60 to do so for whatever improvements come with the PS4 version? It's really tempting me.

Aye, I've played through it twice on 360 already and I won't mind going through the SP again a third time a in a couple of months, at least when the visuals have been updated.

And I'm one of the few people that love GTAO, put more time into GTAO than the SP, and close to a week in playing it....as in like 150+ hours, so having that progress carry over probably the most important bit for me.

After finishing Max Payne 3 this past week, I'm totally up for playing through GTAV again when it's out on PC. Shame it's in fall though.