Say NO to low FOV Petition - (Idea)

hmm if you turn on 80-120 doesnt it go all fish eye'd? that makes me more sick than lower FOV

I'm aware that some people get motion sick, but there are other reason not just FOV, motion blur and depth of field effects are also known to cause this. Camera bobbing too.

There are plenty of people who can't play games due to photosensitive lighting effects, that opens an whole other discussion about catering for minorities when working on products that millions of people use. If you can change something without drastically effecting the product you should - FOV is about as drastic as it gets for a console game when you're squeezing every frame you can.

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I really think 80-90 is the sweet spot. Higher than that starts becoming fish eye, lower than that I always feel like i have tunnel vision, makes me feel like I'm zoomed in and not aware of whats happening around me. I seriously hope crysis2 doesn't have 55 on pc. Low fov works if your looking at a small tv, sitting pretty far away from it, but honestly most people playing games these days either have a pretty big tv, or tend to sit close to the screen, even console gamers.

+1 to that.

And really, I'm fine with having the option given to me to adjust the FOV in the settings, why can't it be like that, in there with the rest of the graphics options? It's not as if a PC is really going to struggle that much like a console would with a high FOV. But instead at the moment we have to dig around through the config files ala borderlands. Take a look at this, most of these changes were pretty mandatory for a decent playing experience on the PC:

http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/sh ... hp?t=79043

Is the PC so second grade in most mainstream developers minds now that they expect PC users to fix and change everything themselves, because they are PC users, they know how to do these things anyway. And not many will probably buy it anyway so what does it matter if some stuff needs changing the hard way mindset?

2D-chris do you play TF2 because that can be put from FOV 75 to 90, and do you have trouble with that?

It almost seems to me like crysis uses different measurements for FOV, because 55 sounds ridiculously low, and the game didn't look like it in the videos.

I play Quake 3 with a 110 FOV, don't have any trouble with that!

Crysis 2 could be using Vertical FOV as opposed to Horizontal FOV.

90 Horizontal FOV is approximately the same as 60 Vertical at 16:9

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keep in mind we are also going away from the "you are the hero in the game"-gameplay to "you are the camera in this interactive movie"-gameplay.

Off topic but ugh this has recently been something I've really noticed and hated, because I went from playing Dead Space 2 to Two Worlds 2, and both games have just AWFUL third person camera implementations that feel floaty and disconnected from character movement, like an independent camera, and in both games I keep getting distracted from what I'm supposed to be focusing on (ooh this is a scary game that thing that just popped out sure made me jump/ooh this is a pretty fantasy world I am so immersed) with struggling with the camera and moaning that they aren't first person games. Two Worlds especially, since I got it because I heard it was something to tide over Morrowind/Oblivion fans until Skyrim, so I went into it expecting a first person RPG right out the gate, and because its camera and controls have led to pretty much every single death I've had, which have been plenty. At around the three hour mark I had to fight a lady way stronger than my shitty mage guy on top a lighthouse, and in trying to dodge and juke around her to cast and avoid attacks I kept running off the fucking ledge or stairs and falling to my death. I eventually won the fight by just fleeing, hoping to get to the ground, and instead finding her AI incapable of safely following the path down the lighthouse itself. I was on the inner spiraling staircase heading down when I see her fly by in the center and then a quest update to go inform the guy who sent me out there that she was dead.

I used to play Q2 with a 150 in fov, but I can see why thats not commonly used I remember dead space and bioshock as games that went too far the other way tho.

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Crysis 2 could be using Vertical FOV as opposed to Horizontal FOV.90 Horizontal FOV is approximately the same as 60 Vertical at 16:9

you must be right, If I set it to anything over 65 it fish eyes

Two advantages of a narrow fov:

Better performance (more of the scene is culled because the frustum is smaller)

Less stretching at the extremities of the view

Disadvantages:

Makes some folk feel sick (read Valve's musings on narrow fov and the driving section in HL2 -- they had to increase the fov to stop some people throwing up)

Subjective:

I personally like ~80 to 105 fov (played TFC with 120, but times change). I dislike the ultra-narrow fovs offered in certain games these days because it really inhibits the sense of fluidity. There's a reason gears (and every 3rd person game released since) dynamically increases your fov when you run -- it gives the player a better sense of speed. Playing a game with a large fov makes everyting flow so much more nicely, and the sense of spatial awareness is heightened for me. I used to love flying around in Quake III & TFC with a high fov

I've never found FOV to be a problem, no matter what it's set to.

For a game like Dead Space, it's sensible due to performance issues from fully dynamic lighting. It also make sense from an atmospheric perspective, because you're supposed to feel claustrophobic.

For PC ports of console games, I do agree that there should be an adjustable option for FOV since developers aren't locked into performance requirements like they are with consoles.

It doesn't make me feel sick, but it definitely makes me wonder "mmm, something's wrong here, it just feels off and awkward!" it disconnects you from the world you're trying to immerse yourself, more than anything else.

I was playing bioshock2 but stopped, and one of the reasons was the extremely low fov, like dux mentioned in bioshock1 you kind of excused the game cos it's really a great SP experience but really nothing good can come out of walking a virtual world with a tube in front of your eyes!

Crysis2 fortunately doesn't suffer from this, it's the perfect balance between small and high fov's, and I am used to play Quake3 up to this day at 110fov.

Not seeing what's around you isn't fun, in any game, for any reason. At least for me. The way I see it, perfomance isn't an excuse. To me it looks worse than if the world was less detailed, FOV like fps speaks to composition and presentation, which are the first basic determinants of the visual quality of a scene. I'm looking at a place not the brushstrokes in a painting, show me the place, not the gravel! Gameplay isn't an excuse even in horror games, it just makes me feel like my character is incompetent and isn't paying attentio. If I was claustrophobic or trapper somewhere with aliens eating my brains my eyes would be darting all over the place, every little thing in my peripheral vision would cause me to have a quick glance. The way the brain works your "informative" FOV is greater than your "color vision/focus" FOV. As it is I just annoyed at how far I have to move the stick which in turns kills the feel of the controls AND the emotion, there's nothing adrenaline pumping about "oh no I head a noise, I guess I'll turn around as slowly as possible and only look straight ahead into the distance so I can't focus on the enemy and have to keep twiddling the controls back and forth and now I can't aim and this sucks". Distance from TV's for console games isn't an excuse, maybe it makes sense since you want compatibility for a wide variety of people, but I think you are assuming people like straining their eye by sitting to far away from the TV. I find my TV, fills MY field of view by the same hoirzontal amount as my monitor.

I just hope as the years pass developers don't find more excuses to lower their fov standards even farther like has been done with fps. Uninspired Cinematic Gameplay Game 6, now with ultra-cinematic 1 fov and 2 fps!

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Are you playing on PC or console? I don't mind narrow FOV in console games, but it's horrible in PC games.

Oh yeah it's on my PS3 with a 26" screen so I guess that's why it's not a problem

The first game where it bothered me was Killzone 2. What is their fov, like 35? Cool game nonetheless but i can totally see how it makes it unplayable for some people. It feels like playing with eyes that protrode 2 meters out of your head.