Battlefield 3

To begin and analogy does not need to match up on every exact detail, in fact it can't, my point was and still is that forcing someone to use a competitors services for convenience sake is amoral, as is bashing one company for something you praise another for.

These reasons posted against Origin should be used against steam. At this point steam is a lot more intrusive then Origin or any other DRM system. There is no other system that forces you to start an app of this size and that takes so long as steam, it's unbelievable people can even consider steam not to be a DRM system. Origin just requires you to install and verify the game once, which is a lot handier, and if it means that EA will get 30% more on every purchase, I'll use it over steam, and any like minded app from other publishers.

Steam famboyims essential allows Gabe to jack up royalties as he can just point out how many people will not buy your game if it's not on his network. It's ridiculous and damaging to PC gaming. And even more so since a lot of you are dev's yourself, you are shooting yourself's in the foot.

Still I did suggest a compromise, you pay 30% extra on steam for what you pay on Origin, I think that would be fair, you want convenience, you should pay for it, like in every other aspect of the economy.

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that forcing someone to use a competitors services for convenience sake is amoral,

The community can't and won't force anyone.

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These reasons posted against Origin should be used against steam.

they are, but it's always a compromise between what you get and what you give. And so far steam has given a lot of value to the games I play (better matchmaking, no additional anti-cheat or registration software, updates automated, friend list and achievement tracking, special offers and cross services between games (like hats for indie games) and platforms (crossplay with ps3!)) while not doing the same mistakes orion does (purchasing in the EU is often not possible, only EAs catalogue (obviously)).

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At this point steam is a lot more intrusive then Origin or any other DRM system.

background? facts? did you ever try uninstalling starforce and getting your registry clean again?

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There is no other system that forces you to start an app of this size and that takes so long as steam,

never had any performence problems, but yes, that is a trouble. given the hazzle of non-steamworks games (i'm mixing stuff up here, i'm aware) patching manually and then logging into another online service (like gamespy) takes just as long though.

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it's unbelievable people can even consider steam not to be a DRM system.

it is a DRM service and people are aware of it. Difference being that Steam doesn't ask for anything but your log in and then provides the same service where ever and when ever you want it. No "only 5 installations", no "6 months download warranty", no "you have a virtual drive software and therefore fuck of".

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Origin just requires you to install and verify the game once, which is a lot handier,

i might not get your point, but any other installer installs the game once as well and registers it to your account once as well. what is the point?

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and if it means that EA will get 30% more on every purchase, I'll use it over steam, and any like minded app from other publishers.

i'd rather have each developer open it's own service for that reason. I don't see the point why EA needs another 30%. If it means that EA will more likely support inovative games, go for it. If it means the CEO of EA Sports gets to drive three new sportscars but the devs are still crunching for the yearly FIFA with no new ideas, fuck it.

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Steam famboyims essential allows Gabe to jack up royalties as he can just point out how many people will not buy your game if it's not on his network.

BS. The market for PC games is wide open and as soon as Valve would raise royalties the devs would go to another marketplace and the community would follow. If you read todays GameDev.biz you'll find one of the many Indie Devs who keeps saying that Valve's fair methods and ongoing support is one of the major reasons why they are still around and so successfully. (link http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2 ... ers-mode-7)

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It's ridiculous and damaging to PC gaming. And even more so since a lot of you are dev's yourself, you are shooting yourself's in the foot.

the exact same thing was mentioned by stardock's CEO a few weeks ago. massive backslash from the Indie Scene again: the reason why Valve is so succesfull with Steam is that they work with the Devs and the community.

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Still I did suggest a compromise, you pay 30% extra on steam for what you pay on Origin, I think that would be fair, you want convenience, you should pay for it, like in every other aspect of the economy.

If that means EA will cut 30% off the prizes first, because obviously they don't have to pay royalities to them selves, go for it.

Steam's not perfect. Anyone who's ever got disconnected from a l4d game due to the "No steam login" bug will attest to that. But what it gives back, and that, having been the only game in town for years, we've all put hundreds of dollars into it for a game list that is non-transferable to some new competitive program, and all the friend lists, groups, achievements, and history PC gamers have put into Steam, is it REALLY that surprising that people choose "Stick with the established thing we've invested a lot into" vs "This new competitor that so far only seems to offer 'me too'"? I'm willing to buy a game from EA, if they want, and offer a good, speedbump-free service, like Gamersgate and GOG manage. I'm not willing to run Origin, based on what I've read about it.

The way I look at it, Origin has a LONG way to go before it can rival the back catalog of Steam and have all of its features, which would precisely be the tipping point where I would be willing to choose Origin over Steam. I will NOT run two of these programs at the same time on my PC, one is enough and demands enough resources as it is. The community is on Steam, my friends are on Steam, and that's that.

Also, Activision and Ubi will soon be launching their own platform, and then where exactly the fuck is the limit? Yeah they all want to keep their 30% in house. Guess what? They should have been the market leaders for once and invest heavily in "online" back in 2003.

origin is to steam what google+ is to facebook

and that is a pretty bad analogy because at least i can view google+ in english, someone know how to change language in origin?

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As far as E-Freak go's, multi quotes are annoying for me to deal with so I'm going to answer you in one big blurb but in order( just imagine I quoted you).

When you refuse to buy form anything other then steam you are forcing companies to use it.

As far as starforce, I never had a problem with it nor did it take up as much resources or delay me playing a game as much as steam. But more importantly starforce isn't really much a player on the western market anymore.

Origin allows you to do the same as steam except it does not need to run every time. So does gamersgate and it doesn't even require any app at all.

30% can be a lot of money, it may not mean much for the survival of BF franchise but for games like Mirror's Edge, it could mean the difference between break even, or weather or not it gets a sequel. regardless the less money a company can expect the less chances they will take.

The market is clearly not wide open and developers are not free to leave, when a large percentage of people refuse to buy anything not on steam.

In any case gamedevs should not suffer because valve managed to get a hold on the on-line distribution market, because they forced you to install steam to play any of their games, no matter if they were retail or not, and refused to put them on rival networks.

no. no its not.

thanks glogle, i am using the website and there is not such settings option. how convenient..

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origin is to steam what google+ is to facebook

Maybe I would care more about this analogy if I had more than just family + a few random people on facebook rather than like 70+ people on g+ already (hooray for getting on the new fad bandwagon early!)

Steam is like an online digital distribution platform for the PC, whereas all the other online digital distribution platforms for PC are like an online digital distribution platform for the PC that I don’t have installed.

If game developers are going to suffer, it’s when people don’t buy games because every publisher is running their own Betamax Steam clone.

But I’m not going to buy Battlefield anyway, unless they add a sexually androgynous class where you skewer people on your spiky hair.

I have actually tried to search for a downladable installer for origin on their site, to no avail. It doesn't really help that the site is in german (probably because im in germany, but it would be nice of them to ask first, like google back when I first came down here google was all like. "are you sure you dont want to go to google.de? [yes] [fuck no]".

I really want to give dice my money here for bf3, because I think its looks so fucking awesome, plus I absolutely love that someone is taking up the fight against steam (dont get me wrong, i love steam and everything, but competition is healthy for a good market, plus I want cheaper games overall. And as a developer I will probably benefit more from a better deal than what steam gives).

Videos from the alpha trial have started popping up

i watched his other videos, he sounds like he has well reasoned opinions and truly enjoys video gamnes.

what a cunt.

Played bf2 for many years so got high hopes on this. Confused by some of things I saw in this, but it's Alpha, whatever.

Today, I got the chance to actually play the BF3 alpha for well over 2 hours. Took some time to adjust to it, but once I did, I really want some more! From what I played, it didn't feel that much different from Bad Company 2; but really improved upon player & vehicle handling/animations and double the amount of incredible Sounds/VO and FX. For, me I felt right at home.

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From what I played, it didn't feel that much different from Bad Company 2

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I've looked about an hour of alpha footage... and it behaves pretty much EXACTLY like I want it.

Now... give it to me!!!

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Today, I got the chance to actually play the BF3 alpha for well over 2 hours. Took some time to adjust to it, but once I did, I really want some more! From what I played, it didn't feel that much different from Bad Company 2; but really improved upon player & vehicle handling/animations and double the amount of incredible Sounds/VO and FX. For, me I felt right at home.

just out of interest how did you get to play it?