Golden Sun Dark Dawn (DS)

i don't get the thing with monsters spawning out of nothing. shit does not materialize like that. i think my biggest gripe with jrpgs are the story. it's just too much emo teen squad trying to save the world from cartoon villain #2378. also turn based combat when it's not dependent on movement is balls. also, when they are in combat, why would they stand on one line, instead of flanking whatever monsters there are?

when you compare jrpgs to western rpgs, it seems that the western ones are much more mature and much more real.

Yeah tits and goblins is more mature and real than emos

You're not allowed to express interest in that foreign muck here. All RPG protagonists should be a series of sliders you tweak for half an hour at the start of the game to try and make it look like you haven't had a stroke. And I don't want to play as some metrosexual teenager, there will be no spiky hair or bright colours -- and that's a wider-ranging rule. My old muscular man will have the only hair option that doesn't clip through his neck, and stubble and a big manly scar. And then I’ll put on an ugly bucket hat and/or switch to first person where I will randomly flail my single sword attack at giant rats in prefab dungeon #524 in a Dungeons and Dragons-esque universe in the name of immersion. Not that would understand with your immature games where you can’t even have gay sex with a dwarf.

Shiren the Wanderer

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A game with more balls than any Western RPG.

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Yeah tits and goblins is more mature and real than emos

i was more thinking of the fallout series. you still seem very limited in jrpgs, your actions have to be of a certain morality. i always liked st0lve's argument about you being able to kill children in fallout; that's something you'd never be able to in jrpgs. i'm not saying i would, but the choice is there. and that's exactly what a rpg should do: give you the choice.

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i'm not saying i would, but the choice is there. and that's exactly what a rpg should do: give you the choice.

I don't care if I have hundreds of choices if they're all going to be meaningless. Killing children sounds like one of those meaningless choices.

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I don't care if I have hundreds of choices if they're all going to be meaningless. Killing children sounds like one of those meaningless choices.

but they aren't meaningless. every choice has a consequence, that's obviously the requirement for a choice to be in a game. if you do go and kill a child then you'll be labelled, and people will look at you differently throughout the game.

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So... no one that's gonna talk about gameplay? Y'all seem to be talking about the spiky teenager stuff but that's not why I posted this game here... I posted it because the gameplay is very good, has much depth and is challenging. The puzzles are well designed and are plentiful.There's no point in arguing over the thematic differences between JRPG's and western RPG's, yes the spiky hair is true, yes there's some emo stuff here and there I guess... No one fond of puzzles here then?

We are. The gameplay is rubbish because you can’t murder children in cold-blood apropos of nothing.

I’m still doing another playthrough of Final Fantasy 7 and completed that optional quest where Yuffie steals our materia. I caught her and she wanted me to pull a lever, which I suspected would not give me my materia back but trigger a humorous escape sequence. I didn’t want to do that! I wanted to kill her, strip her clothes off, hack off all her limbs, drape her body parts all over the local pub, and throw her lifeless ragdoll toso into the barmans face, while nobody reacts or notices at all. I can do that in WRPGs, thus they are better, even if a completely different genre with different goals, and are knowingly and openly at different points in the sandbox/linearity spectrum.

Turn that frown upside down :derp:

My sarcasm meter just exploded

I don't want people to get the wrong idea, by the way. Some of my best friends are WRPGs.

always nice with some unfounded hyperbole against a well reasoned argument.

RPG is a vague term and basically means "levelling up." If a new FPS game is said to have RPG-elements nobody expects a terrorist Dungeon Master placing down evil. I don’t think these two genres are directly comparable and consciously skipped your list of perceived problems.

Although incidentally the JRPG Darkengard had Arioch. An elven mother whose family was murdered, and to get stronger she formed a pact with a demon that made her infertile, and she now enjoys killing and eating children. But, as that level of background detail and genre might suggest, this is not a player choice. You can’t feed her salad instead.

a role playing game by and large should contain role playing. it doesn't require level ups or experience, it basically and only requires role playing. of course this raises the question whether not all games are role playing games

nevertheless, what we associate with rpgs (at least western ones) is an open or semi open world, littered with choices for the player to take. all of these choices have consequences, and these consequences shape the linearity of the game. in jrpgs, it seems the game experience is more sequential rather than open, which would not really make them rpgs in the sense of association, but rather a completely different genre of games - which again, would make a comparison useless.