you all realize right?

Quote from InsaneSingingBlender

i dont know bout you but i use alot of strategy in hl2dm, i always go to get health, i know where the weapons are, and i always drop some grenades in the spawning areas. theres alot of chaos but theres some strategy underneath it all.

word!

Still, I would prefer a map that cuts back on the randomly strewn physics objects and goes back to HL1 DM roots, which is what I plan on doing.

Haven't we gone over this shit like 50,000 times already? I still remember the ruckus on the contrary in IRC back when de_dust was proving to be a little on the popular side (to say the least).

Sometimes old knowledge gets fucked up the ass and lost, kind of like the dark ages.

^^^ What Fletch said.

I think the main problem with DM though, is that everyone spawns with a (almost) full complement of weapons - too many grav guns and it's insanity - but add machine guns and grenades as well and no-one really stands a chance - its just all a bit random.....

Make the grav gun a prestige weapon, I say.

By all means make them relatively easy to pickup, but everybody spawning with gravs AND submachine guns AND grenades??? This effectively ensures that the 2 maps we have now are 100% Mongolian clusterfucks - so little skill is needed provided you know how to 'game the game' - e.g. by spamming grenades into populated areas /sitting with your back against the wall with a table in your (antigravity) hands.

I finished 75/11 against my housemate on lockdown yesterday but it got a bit boring about halfway through.....

Quote from xempest

Private, pre-arranged playtests would be a great addition to mapcore. Organizing playtests could be as elaborate as an entire forum section devoted to scheduling playtests, (where mappers could post a possible play time and server), to a simple, quick ask around on IRC. Playtests comprised solely of other level designers would certainly help out to balance out the gameplay of an upcoming map.

I tryied that 2 years ago.

Gathered ppl in dif channels and we used to play.

Also you have bots, dont know about hl2 and all its mod´s but several other mods for different games has bots.

Many maps has been tested that way for instance blaaazer´s de_bright.

Funlevel is always importent to ppl that plays online, but fun is fun in different ways with different ppl.

Some go crazy on fy_iceworld and it gets played A LOT on pubs, (not my favorite though) but also great looking and tactical maps like dust (orig) and bright that are both.

And i agree, the community would benefit to work togheter rather then bashing each other maps.

But i also agree with the expression "dont EVER show your first map EVHA!"

And in the end you will always stand alone so live with it.

Spellbinder.