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Personalities (MBTI)

  • KoKo5oVaR
  • July 21, 2009 at 5:25 PM
  • KoKo5oVaR
    • July 21, 2009 at 5:25 PM
    • #1

    Sorry to bring that out on the table again, but i've been really interested lately by the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator which is not used to define who you are and your motivations, but how your personality interact with the world.

    I was very skeptical at first but then I've tried the test on several people i know well IRL (friends, family etc 14 persons to be accurate), and i can tell you that stuff is really really accurate to define a general behavior.

    Consider the general descriptions of a type to be at the center of each case and each person of a same type varying around that point.

    [Blocked Image: http://www.harding.edu/career/images/MBTI1.gif]

    With 4 variables varying from each extreme.

    E/I : The first one was (E)xtroversion vs. (I)ntroversion. This stands how people prefer to focus their attention(interest) and get/spend energy. In the extraverted attitude the energy flow is outward, and the preferred focus is on people and things, whereas in the introverted attitude the energy flow is inward, and the preferred focus is on inner thoughts and ideas.

    S/N : sensing, intuition : (S)ensing vs. i(N)tuition. Sensing and Intuition are the perceiving functions. They indicate how a person prefers to receive data from the environment around him. These are the nonrational functions, as a person does not necessarily have control over receiving data, but only how to process it once they have it. Sensing prefers to receive data primarily from the five senses(sight, hearing, taste, smell, touch), and intuition prefers to receive data from the unconscious, or seeing relationships via insights. Often it is called "sixth sense" or "gut feel".

    T/F : thinking, feeling : Thinking and Feeling are the rational functions. They are used to make rational decisions concerning the data they received from their perceiving functions, above. Thinking is characterized as preferring to being logical, analytical and thinking in terms of "true or false". Thinking decisions tend to be based on more objective criteria and facts. Feeling, which refers to subjective criteria and values, strives for harmonious relationships and considers the implications for people. Feeling decisions tend to be based on what seems "more good or less bad" according to values.

    J/P : judging, perception : And the 4th scale even it could be met in the Jungian works was truly added by Myers-Briggs team. (J)udging vs. (P)erceiving. It shows how people relate to the world around them. The J person tends to prefer to create and live in an ordered environment. Words like "structured" and "controlled" come to mind. Js tend to "plan their work and work their plan." They often come across as "decisive". The P individual tends to prefer a flexible, wait-and-see environment. Words like "spontaneous" and "adaptable" and "open-minded" best describe him or her.

    And here's the test for those who didn't do it. Or those who maybe have made it in a rush.

    http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

    Description of each type http://www.e-mbti.com/ (there is also much more on the net if you look for it yourself)

    Personally i'm INFP ( The Healer ) spot-on :

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    INFPs are quiet, creative, sensitive and perceptive souls who often strike others as shy, reserved and cool. These folks have a rare capacity for deep caring and commitment--both to the people and causes they idealize. INFPs guide their behavior by a strong inner sense of values, rather than by conventional logic and reason. Forced to cope with this facts-and-figures "real" world we inhabit, INFPs may appear to have been imported from another galaxy! They gravitate toward creative or human service careers which allow them to use their instinctive sens of empathy and remarkable communication skills. Strongly religious, spiritual or philosophical people, INFPs may see the purpose of their lives as an inner journey, quest or personal unfolding. More practical or rational types may tend to discredit the INFP's sources of understanding as mystical. The search for a soulmate is a preoccupation for many INFPs, who must balance their need for privacy and peace with their yearning for human connection. If there seems to be an air of sadness in the INFP's spirit, blame it on this type's longing for the perfect in all things.

    As an INFP, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit into your personal value system. Your secondary mode is external, where you take things in primarily via your intuition.

    INFPs, more than other iNtuitive Feeling types, are focused on making the world a better place for people. Their primary goal is to find out their meaning in life. What is their purpose? How can they best serve humanity in their lives? They are idealists and perfectionists, who drive themselves hard in their quest for achieving the goals they have identified for themselves

    INFPs are highly intuitive about people. They rely heavily on their intuitions to guide them, and use their discoveries to constantly search for value in life. They are on a continuous mission to find the truth and meaning underlying things. Every encounter and every piece of knowledge gained gets sifted through the INFP's value system, and is evaluated to see if it has any potential to help the INFP define or refine their own path in life. The goal at the end of the path is always the same - the INFP is driven to help people and make the world a better place.

    Generally thoughtful and considerate, INFPs are good listeners and put people at ease. Although they may be reserved in expressing emotion, they have a very deep well of caring and are genuinely interested in understanding people. This sincerity is sensed by others, making the INFP a valued friend and confidante. An INFP can be quite warm with people he or she knows well.

    INFPs do not like conflict, and go to great lengths to avoid it. If they must face it, they will always approach it from the perspective of their feelings. In conflict situations, INFPs place little importance on who is right and who is wrong. They focus on the way that the conflict makes them feel, and indeed don't really care whether or not they're right. They don't want to feel badly. This trait sometimes makes them appear irrational and illogical in conflict situations. On the other hand, INFPs make very good mediators, and are typically good at solving other people's conflicts, because they intuitively understand people's perspectives and feelings, and genuinely want to help them.

    INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated. In the face of their value system being threatened, INFPs can become aggressive defenders, fighting passionately for their cause. When an INFP has adopted a project or job which they're interested in, it usually becomes a "cause" for them. Although they are not detail-oriented individuals, they will cover every possible detail with determination and vigor when working for their "cause".

    When it comes to the mundane details of life maintenance, INFPs are typically completely unaware of such things. They might go for long periods without noticing a stain on the carpet, but carefully and meticulously brush a speck of dust off of their project booklet.

    INFPs do not like to deal with hard facts and logic. Their focus on their feelings and the Human Condition makes it difficult for them to deal with impersonal judgment. They don't understand or believe in the validity of impersonal judgment, which makes them naturally rather ineffective at using it. Most INFPs will avoid impersonal analysis, although some have developed this ability and are able to be quite logical. Under stress, it's not uncommon for INFPs to mis-use hard logic in the heat of anger, throwing out fact after (often inaccurate) fact in an emotional outburst.

    INFPs have very high standards and are perfectionists. Consequently, they are usually hard on themselves, and don't give themselves enough credit. INFPs may have problems working on a project in a group, because their standards are likely to be higher than other members' of the group. In group situations, they may have a "control" problem. The INFP needs to work on balancing their high ideals with the requirements of every day living. Without resolving this conflict, they will never be happy with themselves, and they may become confused and paralyzed about what to do with their lives.

    INFPs are usually talented writers. They may be awkard and uncomfortable with expressing themselves verbally, but have a wonderful ability to define and express what they're feeling on paper. INFPs also appear frequently in social service professions, such as counselling or teaching. They are at their best in situations where they're working towards the public good, and in which they don't need to use hard logic.

    INFPs who function in their well-developed sides can accomplish great and wonderful things, which they will rarely give themselves credit for. Some of the great, humanistic catalysts in the world have been INFPs.

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    Now i understand why i often come off as weird for some people ;x

    also :

    An interesting table defining the relations between each type http://www.socionics.com/rel/relcht.htm, i've already experienced practical tests of that

    It also has already been discussed on 2 threads

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  • Duff-e
    • July 21, 2009 at 8:37 PM
    • #2

    while I agree that in a very general sort of way it seems to make sense, the myers-briggs type indicator is very iffy. check out http://%7boption%7d and http://%7boption%7d. They're both awesome blogs about personality and rationality bias. If you search them for MBTI you get a lot of good articles with interesting comments.

    edit: oh and I'm ENTJ ;D...about 2 years ago some students were doing free analysis in the hall and I volunteered

  • Nysuatro
    • July 21, 2009 at 11:17 PM
    • #3

    We learned and used it @ school. I was very impressed with the result. I was scary that the article knew me that well. And there was a lot of info that helped me with further progres.

    Because of this, we made teams for making a boardgame. And it went very well.

    I am maybe going to do the full test. Its kinda expensive but very handy for me to know how to work on my evolution and with others.

    I must say that communication gets a lot better if you know what kinda personality your teammate has.

  • Skjalg
    • July 22, 2009 at 8:36 AM
    • #4

    I did a test at school as well and ended up as ENTJ, I also did a totally different test for a job interview where I ended up as ENTJ as well so I guess theres something to it.. ?

  • 2d-chris
    • July 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM
    • #5

    My view on all this? If you need somebody else to explain your personality you don't know yourself well enough!

  • Skjalg
    • July 22, 2009 at 12:55 PM
    • #6
    Quote from 2d-chris

    My view on all this? If you need somebody else to explain your personality you don't know yourself well enough!

    Its handy if you want to explain your personality to someone else.

  • KoKo5oVaR
    • July 22, 2009 at 1:08 PM
    • #7

    Yeah it's like putting words on what you already know. (but who know himself well enough btw? except the people easily hiding behind unmovable certainties;)

    Otherwise take it like a way to understand the people around you better, and that every type of personalities has its own strengths and weaknesses.

  • Furyo
    • July 22, 2009 at 3:44 PM
    • #8

    Did the test before, INTJ is what characterizes me best.

  • 2d-chris
    • July 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM
    • #9

    Why would you want to tell somebody else your personality? Can't they figure that out for themselves? Even if you needed too what are you going to say, I'm a mixture of IITGY and EVTRE? At least to me that makes you sound like a plonker.

    It's certainly interesting to spend your time looking at other peoples personalities but It's a waste of time to make classifications for such a complicted and unique thing. It reminds me of people trying to describe flavors of wine or a classical piece of music using colors. Weirdos!!!!!!

  • KoKo5oVaR
    • July 22, 2009 at 6:38 PM
    • #10

    Fair enough, i'm just here to share stuff that i find interesting (seriously) and i respect your opinion, but you should better try to document yourself before stating one (if it wasn't the case). If it interest you, look for Carl Jung and his work in analytical psychology.

    What i know is that i've tried it on the people i know very well and it was really relevant in terms of general behavior.

  • Steppenwolf
    • July 22, 2009 at 7:53 PM
    • #11

    ISFJ

    I'm a warm hearted, well organized motherfucker. I'm an expressionistic introvert.

  • -HP-
    • July 22, 2009 at 7:54 PM
    • #12

    What do you call someone who don't give a fuck about this?

  • Steppenwolf
    • July 22, 2009 at 7:59 PM
    • #13
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    ":3pearhz2]What do you call someone who don't give a fuck about this?

    HP

  • KoKo5oVaR
    • July 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM
    • #14
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    ":1wj3te4c]What do you call someone who don't give a fuck about this?

    A nazi obscurantist

  • -HP-
    • July 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM
    • #15

    Ah... that's right!

  • e-freak
    • July 22, 2009 at 10:06 PM
    • #16

    well I took the test and made a ENFJ but I don't think it hits the nail. in some parts it fits but in others it sounds downright wrong.

  • the0rthopaedicsurgeon
    • July 22, 2009 at 11:10 PM
    • #17

    I also got ENFJ

    but to those who think the description perfectly matches them, read any of the others and they're probably the same, as demonstrated here:

    http://www.funny-videos.co.uk/videoderr ... trick.html

  • Furyo
    • July 23, 2009 at 1:28 AM
    • #18

    This test, or any other should never be taken at face value. The interesting part of it all is to take it a few times over a certain amount of time, depending on major changes in your life, and see if the profile has changed.

    I looked back at the original thread we had about this when I was on PoP, and unsurprisingly the results back then were a bit different. I feel there is a strong bias towards whichever situation you are at the time you take the test, or in other words, that the general situation in which you are while taking the test changes the outcome. Not that drastically, but I can personally see a pattern there.

    On PoP:

    Your Type is

    INFJ

    Introverted Intuitive Feeling Judging

    Strength of the preferences %

    22 25 25 11

    Balanced profile, with very low levels of stress for me back then. The production was going great and I was constantly shipping my maps in time and according to my lead's expectations. Smooth sailing around the same time last year. I wasn't responsible for anything other than my own work, although I was already aspiring to that.

    Right now on Assassin's Creed 2, the results changed to

    INTJ

    And this is exactly what I think changed. I was given (or gave myself) a lot more responsibility in a much smaller team, while working on a very important feature in the game (E3, announcements, etc). That changed my way of dealing with my work a lot, and this is something I've been told multiple times by close friends who have seen this change too. The Judging grew to 61% in this last test and 25% Feeling turned to 27% Thinking. And that just puts words on a feeling I and others had about the situation.

    I would be very curious to see what the results might have been back two years ago while I was working on Dark Messiah. It's as close to the current situation as I've ever been before, only the scope of my work was 10 times what it is today, while the importance of the game as a whole was 10 times less.

    So yeah again, I think these tests are only valid at a certain point in time to give you a snapshot moment of who you (at least in part) are. And that helps a lot in knowing where you want to go next.

  • KoKo5oVaR
    • July 23, 2009 at 2:13 AM
    • #19

    The test can be biased, you really have to do it more than one time and read the description of the types and decide by yourself. But i'm not sure you can totally change your type. Personally i know i was the same all my life.

    We came to a deep discussion about that on msn with Nysuatro which happen to be the same type as me and we were so similar in terms of thoughts, experiences and existential questions that this was scary as fuck

  • Furyo
    • July 23, 2009 at 3:45 AM
    • #20

    yeah like I said, I think the change is subtle enough. It would never be a completely different result which gives the test more credibility

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