US presidential election 2008

    Media is really picking up on the race issue:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americ ... 682876.stm

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    Charles is a registered Democrat in Uniontown, Pennsylvania.

    "If it wasn't for Obama I would vote Democrat. Blacks just cause trouble, that's the taste I've got in my mouth."

    I wonder why America is still stuck in the past with issues like this, really hope it doesnt affect poll day but I bet it will and there will be essentially GWB2 in the White House for another 4 years.

    Okay. We all know Obama is black(OR IS HE?! can you believe there's some slander on the internets going around that he's not *really* black since he's half white and he wasn't raised by his black father, so I guess he didn't get the TRUE black experience... So whenever obama plays the race card its a lie!!! although.. he never plays the race card....)

    Anyways. I digress. Everyone in this thread knows he's black. Everyone in this thread knows there are stupid racists, EVERYWHERE(not just America, believe it or not!). Everyone knows that one person's opinion means NEARLY absolutely nothing whatsoever to this election. Sure you can use it as a itty bitty tiny little barometer but you honestly have absolutely no frame of reference for how many of these crazies actually exist, so please, lets all not fly off the handle making generalizations because someone posted a YOUTUBE video of some crazy person.

    And on the race issue.. I heard about it a lot at first, a few months ago, but I think once the racists realized that not everyone hates black people(and in fact, very very few people do!), they moved on to the "his middle name is hussein" and/or "he's a muslim(cough terrorist cough)" tactic. That fooled a few more people, but I think they've realized that very very few people are fucking stupid enough to fall for that schtick either. Lately, I've heard nothing much from the slander crowd, I think they realized that they can't win this with slander alone, and also realized.. they don't have anything besides slander. Maybe McCain just doesn't care too much about North Carolina, but I really haven't heard much of anything from him.. Not one person handing out flyers, billboards, not even television ads! Hell Obama has his own freaking CHANNEL.

    What I will say is.. If Obama's campaign efforts are the same in other states/cities as they are here.. he will absolutely decimate McCain. It is absolutely incredible how many volunteers are on the ground working to get young people and the lower class registered to vote. They're holding all kinds of events to promote obama/biden. I've probably been asked a dozen times in the past month if I'm registered to vote, and I guarantee you every single one of those people is there for Obama, although they don't say, they're just trying to get people to vote.

    Obviously my friends are mostly like-minded people, but nearly every single one of the thirty or so friends I have are voting for Obama. One is not voting because he's a racist but still hates McCain, and another is voting McCain. Probably half my friends registered to vote in the past month.

    They have a thing called early voting here in North Carolina.. I drove by one of the polling places about a week ago and there was a line, probably 50 people long, extending out of the door of the polling place. And this is 3 weeks *before* the election! Theres a similar sized line at the library on campus every single day, all day long. Its incredible. I can't wait to see the numbers on how much voting% increased this year. Its going to be huge. People aren't only voting, they're truly excited to vote. It is a wonderful thing to see, people really passionate about who is running their country. gosh.. this is something I haven't said in many, many years.. It makes me proud to be an American.

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    [Blocked Image: https://migrationtest.mapcore.org/public/style_emoticons/default/mapcore_smilies/emot_shakehead.gif] You should join the Bill OReilly show Bic...

    Sindwiller. Have you ever BEEN to America? Okay, well then don't do the same exact thing Sentura did by attempting to quantify any group of Americans, because you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

    And what is the jab about Bill OReilly? Bic is clearly stating that what sentura said about the proportions of racists in america to the non-racists is drasticly incorrect and (rightfully so) took offense to his comment. It has nothing to do with Bic's political affiliation, beliefs, or some pundit.

    You should all know better than to listen to what the media say (and I bet most of you don't trust it) , of course they pickup on the racists because it's awesome entertainment if you like that kind of thing. Which sadly the majority of people do.

    I'm not saying there are NO racists in America, but watching somebody in a suit who appears to be educated talking with them puts a strong message that the issue if much stronger than it really is. Welcome to the world of selling a story. I hate the news world would be a better place without it.

    so maybe i used the wrong word and said few instead of some other relative quantital expression. well sorry for insulting you by using the incorrect syntax. i didn't base anything on that video as much as i was just reminded what happened when i was in california, and i didn't mention anything outside of the us since there is no relevance to mention that there are racists, bigots and so on outside the US (because they can't vote inside the US).

    i speak from what i've seen when i was in the US, people preaching on the street like religious propaganda in the MOST LIBERAL state in the us. i saw that there are large network stations broadcasting christian television an hour to half an hour before prime time. i had a more lax view on the US before i went there because i had never seen what i saw there before. don't you ever try to deny that there are people over there who are fanatical christians on par with any muslims in the middle east, and that you actually have a few states that will never change from the republican flag to the democratic one purely out of christian belief. if those qualities make you proud to be an american as well, i beg to differ.

    i wasn't initially going into this, but you keep slandering what i said and misconstruing it, so here it is. i understand that you're proud of those people who are doing their good work to get people to vote and everything, i just don't want you to forget that america is broader than just your state, and to be proud of being american also constitutes that you are proud of those who are acting politically strictly on religious bias. i was actually defending those same people that you were proud of in my first statement, much like i was defending every other american who took steps away from this conservative line of thinking. however it does seem that you just want to start a brawl here over something as irrelevant as syntax.

    what annoys me even more than this is that these discussions will tend to get the thread locked because they usually end up derogatory or flaming towards one or more people. so in order to at least have SOME civil behaviour here, i am refusing to post in this thread after this post. if you have any problems with me posting this, feel free to pm me.

    I didn't slander anyone. All I said is by living all along the east coast for 23 years and dealing with Americans of every race and creed, I know that while we do have crazy people, the majority of Americans are not crazy or stupid. I understand why Americans have such a bad global image, but it still frustrates me when I hear it.

    I have not spent any significant time in California(only vacation time) so I cannot comment on the density of crazy people in California. All I can say is crazy people speak the loudest. There are a good number of the preacher-types in North Carolina too, but I do not think that it is an accurate way of measuring what the majority of the population thinks.

    I think what you said about California proves my point nicely. In one of the most liberal states in the country, the thing you noticed was the radical christian conservatives preaching. Obviously, those people do not represent the voting majority of the state, as their views are not the views of the elected political representatives of California

    I am proud of the America I am seeing right now where I am at. Maybe I should say "I'm proud of the democrats living in the east side of Charlotte." I clearly said that I was proud to be American because of the general concern and interest in this election; I did not say I was proud of(or denied the existance of) religious radicals. If I have to be proud of everything about every single person in America to be proud of America as a whole, then I will never say "I'm proud to be American" again.

    My original post had nothing to do with you, Sentura. I don't think I'd even read your post before writing, I just saw the youtube video posted, made a short comment about the inaccuracy of guaging the American public via a youtube video, and proceeded to tell of my recent experiences and feelings about the upcoming election. I am sorry if you took any of my posts as a personal attack, I assure you they were not intended to be.

    I disagreed with your statement about the quantity of religious radicals in America. That is all. If you misspoke, then I retract my statement.

    I do not want this thread to be locked, and I have not and will not flame or make derogatory remarks against anyone. I don't want you to stop posting in this thread because of me. I don't have any problem with you posting, Sentura, and I will not take this to PM because I feel it is important and relevant to this thread to express my views, as an American, of how the general population in my area is acting regarding this election. As far as I know I'm the only American on this board from this part of the US(I apologize if this is wrong! *edit* and I am wrong! Sorry Chunks) so I think I have a unique perspective on the situation.

    Obama is going to win, I think everyone has known that for a few months. McCain never really had a chance. I can't stand either one of them and I'm just going to write in someone.

    They both suck and are of the same breed, just different talk. I lost faith in government/society a long time ago. I'm dreading all the new shit that's going to change with this democrat majority ruled legislative and executive branches. We've been on the path to socialism for awhile now though I guess...

    Haha whoops! Right after I post another south-easterner chimes in

    I agree with you Chunks, I am also concerned with what will happen with the democratic ruled government, the extreme partisanship of our government severely cripples the check and balance system. However, although I'm sure we will shift significantly towards the liberal end of the spectrum, I don't think we'll ever get to socialism. Some politicians still do vote for what they believe in, not just what their party wants them to vote. And on that same token, I don't think the democratic party wants socialism; they'd like to move further left than we are currently, but not that extreme left.

    I am sure some of the change they will make will not be good change, but I believe the majority of it will be for the better. I have seen what the Republicans do with control of Washington, and I don't want to see it anymore. It is now the democrats turn. If they fail, I am sure the American public will let them know with their votes for senate in another two years.

    I created this thread yesterday and people are already talking about locking and leaving the thread - I think most of us have been around here for long enough to know that this would head into this direction. I'm glad the discussion is somewhat turning into a more moderate discussion "on topic" though, just one last thing about this "Americans are arch-conservative deeply religious racist rednecks" controversy:

    I think some of the generalizations made about Americans on the previous pages are quite ludicrous, yet I believe the Europeans are not the only ones exaggerating. The truth is somewhere in between. What I don't understand is how this has anything to do with the ongoing election! Barack Obama (the black dude) is leading in any poll, doesn't that mean that Americans want a change in their government's politics? Shouldn't we congratulate them to a more liberal, open minded government? I have the feeling many Europeans' faith in America is still shattered by George W.'s re-election 4 years ago. The election isn't over yet, the Republican candidate still has the chance to win this, it happened before, but we can be optimistic...Special thanks to Twiz by the way, for giving such a detailed insight on your personal view and on the happenings in the states these days. Let me tell you from a European outside perspective, that your concerns (or Chunk's rather) about socialism are not necessary. One part of Germany used that system for about 40 years and it's nothing like what Obama has in mind! This sounds like Republican propaganda to be honest. You raise taxes for millionaires and you are a commie

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    One part of Germany used that system for about 40 years and it's nothing like what Obama has in mind! This sounds like Republican propaganda to be honest. You raise taxes for millionaires and you are a commie

    Indeed, I am certainly all for being more socialist, hence my democratic vote. Our health care, education services, and social services are a pitiful joke right now and need serious immediate attention. I come from a wealthy family that will likely be affected by Obama's tax plan, yet they are all still voting for him. Not all wealthy people are selfish, good things cost good money and health care and education is certainly something I'm willing to pay for.

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    I have the feeling many Europeans' faith in America is still shattered by George W.'s re-election 4 years ago.

    Not only Europeans, I was crushed by GWB's re-election. After that I had no faith in Americans to make the correct decisions, so you can imagine how strong of an impact Obama must be making here to have me feeling so confident about America's future. Don't let me down again!!!

    Indirectly helping others by paying taxes isn't scary...

    I just hope that before the election, both candidates go out and condemn the racism and blind hatred against each others. I wouldn't want someone to be my president if he had been calling his opposition for stupid things. People need to learn that there are other ways to win that just suckerpunching to the balls.

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