Posts by DooM

Quote from laminutederire

I don't know if it is only me but I dropped to 20fps very often, so either it isn't optimized, or my computer isn't in good shape these time, or a lille bit of both.

Graphically it is as nice as expected so that's great.

(Layout wise I don't have much to say, Fps drops and bots camping at both spawns (i suppose it is due to performances ) weren't great to test it, I'll try it later though)

I get some fps drops too, mainly from around 150/160 to around 80 in places, the skybox seems to encompass the entire map, something I forgot to mention in my feedback, this needs to sorted out asap.

Quote from Symix

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Looks good! New rotate options for the bottom of mid look good too, I'm sure I'll be back when a new version is posted.

Quote from ScottehBoeh

"I never liked the hostage game mode and I don't think this map will work with it"

I gave you feedback that said the fog didn't contribute to meaningful game-play? Fog generally makes engagements random. Look at cs;go's initial release, where most of the maps had fog, but were since updated without fog. I think if valve deem it necessary to remove the fog, I'd have a good think about whether or not it should feature in your level.

Some thoughts:

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This whole mid upper/secondary attacking route to B is a little complex, I think you could achieve some more interesting game-play if the upper area was removed. Instead the entrance could be at the same level as the secondary route. The ladder to the secondary route could be removed meaning that Ts have to gain control of mid rather than just dropping down the ladder and attacking B easily.

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Following on from above, this area could also be removed. The between site rotate times are massive (around 20 secs, 15 is good, but It can be shorter depending on how you want the map to play.) Removing this area would compact the map, allowing for some faster rotate times, and game-play would not really be affected as CTs could play aggressively in the connector rather than on the upper area. Also this from mid makes the connector to B pretty redundant, because you can just flank B through the main CT entrance rather than using the connector

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You can run on the little lattice thing, It allows you to get to the little raised section outside B, I think you could just add some boxes to allow Ts to get up their, something like the outside of A on mirage, allowing Ts to defend B main from aggressive CTs

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I think B might have too much cover, you could remove the AC unit thing on the right and move the one on the left over to where the removed unit was located.

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The A bombsite seems strange for CTs because if they want to play in the bombsite, they are trapped. This doesn't facilitate easy rotates, you either stay on the upper level and give Ts the A bombsite or you drop down and gamble on a risky rotate through A main into mid, where you could be killed by a lurking T. I think you should be able to rotate more easily off A, like Cache for example.

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There's this nasty angle from CT spawn to the outside of B which could be abused if Ts push the Ct side of B

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Visually T spawn is quite difficult to negotiate, I don't really gravitate towards a certain entrance as they seem to blend into the building's exterior.

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The new Season's T spawn is a great example of colour and lighting used to guide the player to entrances and attacking routes, maybe check this out for some ideas.

3kilksphillip has a great video analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Wh2w33ALE

This article is really good at explaining lighting: http://www.worldofleveldesign.com/categories/wol…nar-jenssen.php

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Quote from ScottehBoeh

It is annoying to have fog, but imagine the next-gen tactics used? Ones never before seen.

The next gen tactic of hiding and killing your opponent. Not because you can out-aim, out-position or out-play them, I feel fog is the opposite of skill and often induces randomness. The setting also seems to make no sense, Middle Eastern esque buildings with Arabic text and the map is named after a place in Iraq but set in a woodland, with pine trees. I feel the theme needs work as-well as the game-play aspects like visibility.

Quote from Symix

Mostly been working on the layout lately. Here's the current one.

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That looks pretty complex, It might be just the format of the overview/image however. I'd have to have a run around in game to fully check the complexity.

Quote from FeverReaver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl35QCbMi-c

This was the exact video I was think of when I commented.

Quote from jackophant

....utilise all the hardware you can throw at it.....

Will it work with a steering wheel?

Quote from text_fish

I think Doom summed up the general player-mood pretty well when when he shouted in to the mic "WHY ARE YOU FULL FLANKING ME ALREADY?" so loud that my connection went down.

My salt has the power to pierce the internet? wow.

Some thoughts from the play-test yesterday.

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Overall the level felt cluttered with props. You could use the ivy more sparingly leaving it for certain buildings outside the engagement areas, for example:

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There were some visibility issues with mid concerning the dark grey textures:

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Mid also didn't really seem to play tactically (the play-test was 10v10 so take this with a grain of salt) CTs have this massive height advantage over Ts coupled with the many angles they can hold from makes mid really difficult to play as T. You could simplify mid to allow for better tactical play.

This angle in the mid to B connector seems OP, I didn't really have a chance to try this connector out due to the issues outlined above.

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This is a visibility issue on B:

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It's nothing much up close but move right the way back to B main.

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Once inside B, it seems very un-smokeable with wide entrances and lots of windows, this means that holding this site could be an issue. The play-test didn't really show this but I think that's attributed to jackophant killing everyone.

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Just some thoughts on the current version, feel free to correct me on what you have changed in your new version.

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This sight-line from the outside of A through CT spawn to the outside of B is very long, you could reduce the width of the paths to counter this angle or stagger the spawn more.

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I feel mid has way to much height variation, a good starting point is a little above player height, allowing for a player to be hidden from certain angles. A height change of this magnitude also stops the nuke A bombsite effect, where you have to crane your view up to the engage with the other player. This decrease in height difference will allow for smoother, less infuriating engagements.

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The layout for the A bombsite is strange, it has two mid connectors for example, one of which allows terrorists to traverse extremely quickly into the bombsite, meaning the CTs have no setup time to counter this attack. I think the connector with the window, is the best out of the two. This connector allows for CTs to play mid somewhat aggressively and gives this connector an interesting dynamic.

You could for example remove the wider connector (the red area on the image), allowing for more tactical, intelligent play, rather than just an aim duel.

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Both bombsites feel very similar. Both have extremely long initial engagements. Long engagements are not necessarily a bad thing, just boring if you want to adopt a different play-style, as you are forced into long range engagements almost everywhere on the level. You could make one of the bombsites more close range allowing for a better game-play dynamic, moreover the cover on both bombsites reflects this also, with almost all cover obscuring all the player, you could add varying heights of cover (not 64 units, it allows for nasty head-peeks).

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Quote from VIOLATION

Just realized I had packed a different version of the radar. This link should fix that issue: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B29xbu…W51M2w1ZzA/view

Not sure what the spawns comment is though? There's never been an issue with spawns that I've had.

Do you have at least 20 spawns? It's because the server has 20 slots and if there isn't 20 spawns, only a certain amount of people can play. Regarding visibility, did you not see the post I made in your thread? I outlined various areas of bad visibility, I would maybe fix them to allow for a less frustrating play-test.

Quote from El_Exodus

I've got something more to add for the radar helfer config file.

One of the first lines automatically changes your resolution to the one you need for taking the radar screenshots. To change it back, just use this command in your other configs with your usual resolution.

The echo line is just a reminder of the command you need to create your radar.

Also some more stuff for the practice/maptest config file:

The first 3 lines will show in the upper left corner, if noclip is enabled or not to minimize confusion when testing.

The first line of the binds will help you to find unintended boosts and more. The second one will help you optimizing your map by seeing which areas of the map are rendered and which aren't.

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Damn I am quickly adding this to my scripts on my pc, thanks exo!

Quote from Vaya

twitch plays pokemon but SDKhammer instead.

whatever is made replaces de_inferno in the map pool

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Quote from Vorontsov

No early morning feeling without it, looks like any other blocky boring csgo map otherwise when it comes to atmosphere

Fog is terrible for game-play though.

I think your level looks much better without the fog, or consider toning it down just a little bit.

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Just some feedback:

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This head-peek in mid could be OP

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This sliding door thing is nice, but I initially overlooked it as a route, and could be quite problematic for gameplay.

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Moving around this thing is really awkward.

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You can jump onto the windows on the bridge at B and up onto this ledge, I think this should be clipped

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This angle at B could be OP

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64 unit boxes are bad, make them taller or shorter, 64 unit boxes lead to head peeks like this:

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All of the stairs on the map seem really small?

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This angle on A could be OP

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This thingy on A could be a little too high up?

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The next few images are a game of spot the player!

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Anyway, back to angles, this angle in mid could be OP.

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This area at B is really unreadable, I think a fence or something should at least be there so players know they cannot stand there.

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Map looks promising, good luck mapping!

Here are two of my cfg files I run via using exec command in the console. One is for practice or checking out your map, the other is for assistance in the making of radars.

Practice:

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// practice

exec lowvolume;

ammo_grenade_limit_total 6;
bot_dont_shoot 1;
bot_quota 0;
con_filter_enable "2";
con_filter_text "3D Distance";
developer 1;
mp_autokick 0;
mp_autoteambalance 0;
mp_ct_default_grenades "weapon_flashbang weapon_hegrenade weapon_smokegrenade weapon_incgrenade weapon_flashbang weapon_decoy";
mp_t_default_grenades "weapon_flashbang weapon_hegrenade weapon_smokegrenade weapon_incgrenade weapon_flashbang weapon_decoy";
mp_freezetime 3;
mp_give_player_c4 0;
mp_ignore_round_win_conditions 1;
mp_limitteams 20;
mp_match_end_restart 1;
mp_maxrounds 9999;
mp_respawn_on_death_ct 1;
mp_respawn_on_death_t 1;
mp_respawnwavetime_ct 1;
mp_respawnwavetime_t 1;
mp_round_restart_delay 1;
mp_roundtime 59.75;
mp_roundtime_defuse 59.75;
mp_solid_teammates 1;
mp_timelimit 0;
mp_use_respawn_waves 1;
mp_warmuptime 0;
mp_warmup_end;
mp_restartgame 1;
sv_cheats 1;
sv_coaching_enabled 1;
sv_competitive_official_5v5 0;
sv_damage_print_enable 1;
sv_grenade_trajectory 1;
sv_grenade_trajectory_time 10;
sv_infinite_ammo 1;
sv_matchpause_auto_5v5 0;
sv_holiday_mode 0;
sv_showimpacts 2;
sv_showimpacts_time 2.5;

echo "practice.cfg loaded";

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Radar Helper:

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sv_cheats 1
Bot_kick
cl_drawhud 0
r_drawviewmodel 0
r_skybox 0
fog_override 1
fog_enable 0
cl_leveloverviewmarker 1024

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There's also a really useful bind you can use for testing angles. First have a bot on the other team, type bot_stop 1 into the console and bind bot_place to whatever key you want, then look where you want to place the bot and press your bind.

Quote from LizardPL

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Also regarding this area, I was in ts with Jackophant and we decided that A was way to difficult for Ts to take, and that Ts should have another entrance to the bombsite.

I suggested this. I don't know if it would work, but it could be interesting.

You could cut off this garage making it a little smaller.

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And add a route here:

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Quote from LizardPL

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On that last image, what exactly have you done, did you remove the jumpy wall thing?