Quote from Meotwisterhey I'm the friend who tiled it the first time. . . its from a real place so there should be no qualms about brick shapes. But yeah mossy stuff needs work vivi.
The shape itself is fine, it just doesn't show very well. The edges of the bricks are too blurry or something.
Curman: niiiiiice 
Quote from Section_Ei8htwell, shit. Stalker was probably one of my most anticipated games. I hope THQ can pry up everything and hand it off to another dev who knows what their doing and actually push out a title that is close to what STALKER should have been 3 years ago.
My thoughts exactly. I wanted this game just as much as HL2, it sounded awesome. I hope i can still at least walk around Tsjernobyl once, and preferably even play the game. (I played a demo at E3 and it was cool)
Please change the yellow lights, they remind me of my first HL deathmatch map 
vivi: Too grainy, and the shapes aren't clear enough. Personally, i'd start all over.
Oogwhaahkwdjelaw: Great stuff, love the style
I have nothing to lose really. And even if i would, that doesn't eliminate the *possibility* of me being sincere about this subject. Anyway, i have nothing to lose because i am here not discussing my own views on art but on what art is considered to be. Something that is generally not understood, as this thread clearly shows. If i'd throw in my own vision on art, 99% of all modern art would be dismissed because most of it is crap and only few things would remain. It's not a definition that would do this discussion any good.
I really like where you're going but i'd say it lacks a focal point. Awesome textures
Doesn't that give me *more* credibility? I dedicated 2 years of my life to this question so far, i found some quite interesting things.
I live in Holland so that's easier mr. general. I will gladly do the same, and it will be much cheaper and easier. Finish map!
Very nice so far, please take your time for the skinning and whatnot. Maybe make a contest version if time is running out and a better one just to make it perfect
"You have visuals, stories, acting, etc and you get to interact with them... Not all video games are good art, but some are I think, like final fantasy and half life perhaps? (Ive never played final fantasy but the screenshots look breathtaking) " -Jon
Weak argument. Same can be said about toiletpaper commercials. As far as i can see, 99% of all people don't even have the slightest idea what art is or even think it is "something pretty", which, clearly, it isn't. Video games can be art but by far most of the time, they are not. In fact, i have never seen any videogame that i would call art. Which isn't bad because videogames are awesome, not inferior to art, just something different. It's just that 'art' has some kind of nice sound to it, it has status and that's why people want their product to be art.
"Someone once said that art is to create" -Fetter To crap is also to create, in a way. As if everything that is created means it's art. *cough* Creativity has something to do with art, but it's far from the same.
"And to say that a work made on only one medium (e.g. painting or symphony) has more going on is rather strange, by what measure they have more going on than, say a game or a movie?" -Kosmo
Have to agree with Kosmo here, the medium does not matter at all. Games and movies can be art just as well as music or painting. Unfortunately however, there are very few artists in the true meaning of the word among game developers. (Concerning their game dev work, not talking about photography or painting or whatever done by the same people)
"The answer to this thread is pretty simple. Why don't you go and ask some of the hundred thousands of artists currently working in the videogames industry if what they are doing is art. I'm sure they will gladly answer your question. Rolling Eyes" -Kleinluka
Go as all the Christians in the world if God exists. Oh dear, he does, let's all convert to Christianity!
Whether or not there are museums about a subject does not matter. There's museums about any subject.
(just reading through by the way, replying to the whole thread)
I fully agree with gins with one difference: I wouldn't call games like that border-art, but art.
Oh and no offense, but people that say that 'art' is subjective (whether or not something is art or not depends on what the author calls it) just don't have a clue. Art ALWAYS has some quality about it that can be seen and judged. It's NOT just taste. How else would it be possible for people to not like someones work but appreciate them as artists? Take Kandinsky. I think what he makes is extremely ugly, i doesn't appeal to me, but i can appreciate him. How else is it possible to have artschools? It takes some good looking, some training to get something out of a work of art but it's most possible. I guess only those that mistake prettyness for art would say things like this.
Reno, i *love* how that looks, the color scheme is brilliant. The only (bah, nitpicking) part i don't like is where the roof meets the wall, that looks fake. Lovely architecture
Quote from ReNoLooks too blurry to me, and perhaps a bit too direct a photosource? I don't know much about texture design but thats how it strikes me.
The perspective is visible in the texture, that's what looks so weird i guess. The trim at the bottom is decent but a bit blurry and the white stuff will repeat visibly.
I love the door and the banners, but something is bugging me about the scale of the stones in the wall, it feels wrong for some reason.
Do you have any screenshots of this texture applied to some brushwork, might make more sense to my brain then
Strange setting then. I thought it'd be a cobblestone floor. If it's metal then it's perfect and i retract my critisism.
Both look awesome, although i'd reduce the highlights on the last (it's not metal eh). What kind of level are you making, Paris catacombs?
I'm not saying it's better, but that both have their qualities.
Enemies react to player actions? Awesome!
What they said. Also, it would be interesting (and a good learning experience) to turn that into a set of textures. Make a wall as well, a wall with a window in it, a texture with a door, etc
The negatives (or whatever they're called in english, the actual film) of all the photos my mother took during her life are still in great condition. Even from her childhood.
