Posts by The Postman

  • My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

    Quote from Urban

    hey, i liked that scream.. made a good sound byte for talk radio for those who havent heard it... here

    hes so in-touch with the common man

    And for those of you who would like a more festive party mix of the Scream Heard 'Round the World, get it here.

    Yeah, and having a dad who was president, head of the CIA, and consulate to Japan makes you a regular run-of-the-mill, good-ol-boy, down-home, everyman. Come on

  • My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

    Now now, both sides pulled rather dirty tricks. Telling african americans they'd get arrested at polls, telling people that "liberals" hate Jesus and the bible.

    The sad fact is that Kerry is very un-electable. He's too...rigid, I suppose. Too much a politician, in the non-believable way. The fact that his main power base comes from the anyone-but-Bush 50% of this country says little for the man, or well, our democracy. I really think a combination of Dean and Clark would've been a lot more electable. Dean pre-scream that is. That really hurt his image almost irrevocably I think - which is sad considering how good I think he could be doing.

  • My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

    Quote from Urban

    glad this election is about the war... not so glad its about the one that happend 30+ years ago :/same people that are calling bush awol and all this other crap and are parading around kerry as a war hero... are the same people that defended draft dodging clinton... so.. if being a president means you need military service... why did dole lose? hell hes a true war hero imho

    Compleeeeeeeeete agreeance. Why Vietnam service was brought up in this election - let alone made a major point of focus - just blows my mind. It has no bearing on anything, at all. I think that focusing on it has really hurt Kerry's campaign a lot - especially since he's been focusing on damage control for his past actions instead of campaigning.

  • My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

    Quote from von*ferret

    If you think Kerry is fiscaly conservative either Postman you're ignorant. Its a fact that his domestic spending plans will either put the deficit deeper or simply keep it at where its at. The difference is Kerry just wants to spend money, where as Bush was trying to boost the economy by using a "loan" strategy. Furthermore your little comment on the rich is bullshit. The top like 2% of the country pays for 60% of the country's taxes. So there is no reason why they shouldn't get some money back. Furthermore I've never been employed by a poor person, but I have by a rich person. So i'd rather have the people who know how to run business, have more money, so they can hire more people. Oh wait, this looks like a good fucking idea, nice job bush! (reagan)

    Did I ever suggest that Kerry is fiscally conservative? As a democrat of course he isn't. You call me ignorant? Get your partisan politics straight before you start mouthing off. I'd rather funnel money into our own nation than the money-pit that Iraq is becoming, but we can't do that. We need to stay there until it's done.

    My comment on the rich? 60%? Where are you getting your numbers? Sounds like they're coming from the land of bullshit myself. Back that up and you'll have my apologies. My problem isn't so much a class war as it is that the tax cut takes advantage of how stupid a lot of the poor are. They see this wad of cash - "Oh boy, $300!" - and go "Hot damn, he's got mah vote!" It plays on the ignorant. Actually, that point's moot since a good portion of both campaigns has been an attempt to rope in the ignorant and ill-informed. "Flip-flop" and "No Blood for Oil" idiots rejoice! :roll:

    Back on track though. Mikey's made some very good points. Especially with the clouding instead of clearing notion. I don't think anything new was particularly said. Although many of the swing states are finally steadying (Bush favor btw, latest prediction a win with 296 electoral votes), I almost think at this point the debates are without need. The country is very heatedly divided (as this thread certainly shows) and everyone's already chosen their side, will the debates swing anyone? That's a good question.

  • My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

    Quote from RD

    Bush defeated Kerry, its as simple as that

    RD, Kerry whomped on Bush in the debates simply by being a better public speaker, not repeating himself verbatim nearly as much and actually answering more questions instead of dodging them.

    Teppesh, I did watch the debates, I also read the transcripts. I think that Kerry won them, and so does a good 57% of the population. So you and Teppesh can go back to grumbling about the loss.

    Quote from Teppesh

    That is unless you like higher taxes, and believe that he can raise trillions of dollars from the rich, to both support the war and fund the myriad of domestic programs he supports.

    Yeah, sure. I believe it.

    First off, don't even try to claim Bush is fiscally conservative. Enjoy your deficit. The tax cut that you cherish so much doesn't necessarily save you any money and is primarily for the rich. Good job slinging the "omg democrats raise taxes!!!!" though. Where do you think that money comes from anyhow? The magical money tree that grows on Sugar Mountain? Come on. Get some knowledge on policies and actual followthrough and then come back to this conversation.

  • My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

    Quote from DUFFY

    it makes me happy that ferret isnt some liberal art loving cry boy

    Second warning Duffy, one more and you're banned. Got me?

    Quote from Urban

    its pretty funny how most people that read the debate.. think dubya did better.. or listened to it even... i guess the polls show people prefer style over substance... maybe we deserve john "hanoi" kerry...

    First and foremost, come off it witht he "hanoi" Kerry bullshit. You sure as shit weren't in Vietnam, and you have no right to go after him in the way perhaps our fathers can. He came back, made his opinions known when that kind of opinion wasn't (and perhaps still isn't) very popular. Different war. Different time. Doesn't reflect whatsoever on the current situation. Your opinion of the debates reeks of personal favor to Bush. If Bush wins the election (fairly ) I'll be "hey, okay, that's what the American people want, and that's what they deserve." Not spouting rhetoric and yammering on using party slogans.

    As for "style over substance." If by substance you mean name dropping, and repeating one's self like a windup toy, then by all means, substance won the day. However I think Kerry won the debate by being clearer in his ideas and not dodging nearly half as many questions as Bush did. Will this debate win him the election? Doubtfully. His campaign is run too poorly for that. I still don't especially like the man, but I came away from the debates a little bit more sure of him as a commander in chief.

  • My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

    Wasn't poking at the Republicans, I was poking at Cheney, former president of said company. Such a huge contract and it's no bid and the VP of the US used to run the company that gets it - and gets a $1,000,000 bonus later on from said company? No, I don't see anything wrong there at all. Not to mention all the financial and fraudulent errors that company has made that strangely keep getting shot out of the spot light post haste.

  • My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

    and...go:

    *bickering for the entire time about things that have happened and we can't change with vague notions of a future plan on both parties sides, exchanges of barbs, quizzical looks from Bush, Kerry's ghastly grin and in the end we're all dumber for having watched it*

    I'm just thankful I didn't take a shot any time Kerry mentioned 'Nam or Bush mentioned terror/terrorists. I'd be dead of alcohol poisoning.