Posts by RD

Theyre not converts and theyre not visibly christian outside their churches. Its not just christians btw, converting to any other religion, even atheism is treason

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Whoa RD that's insane. *Especially* because the Koran mentions that Christians and Sabians that believe in God and in the last day also just go to 'heaven'. Islam used to be very tolerant (freedom of religion), in the Middle Ages some Christian groups even preferred to be under control by Muslim government than by the Holy Roman Empire. I'm really curious how it's come this far, does your source say since when those laws have been in effect and why they were instated?

Are you talking about the death sentence thing? Its sharia law.

Its not done evrywhere, but converting is considered treason and definitely not acceptable.

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Now you are shoving the blaim to the dictatorship. Which doesnt matter, its the same problem. You just keep finding excuses, "its just a minority of extremists, its just the government". So what, its still a problem. Its not racist to adress it

First off: http://www.dictionary.com

Secondly, the blame is on the dictatorship. It's their fault for how their nation's react and how they foster such sentiment. I'm not finding excuses. Unlike you I'm using reasoning to figure out what's the matter before I start jerking my knee.

So finally you agree there is no need to apologize because the blame is at their side

and OT: point me to my spelling error

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Yes it is. What you're saying is tantamount to saying that any citizen of the United States is, by extension, personally responsible, and personally carries out its laws.

Now you are shoving the blaim to the dictatorship. Which doesnt matter, its the same problem. You just keep finding excuses, "its just a minority of extremists, its just the government". So what, its still a problem. Its not racist to adress it

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Does deliberately antagonizing the Fundamentalist Islamic states do anything to secure peace or foster understanding between the two cultures? No.

Its only natural for humans to get used to things that repeat. They'll get used to it.

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converts to Christianity are sentenced to death

Take another look at that tell me your mind isnt warping itself to find excuses. You are basically saying all muslims are apes when you say we should accept this because they are only muslims.

Respect in the middle east:

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a) Religious persecution of individuals (human rights abuse): This persecution is conducted against individuals because of their religious affiliation. In Saudi Arabia and Iran, for examples, individuals are punished for displaying crosses or stars of David, jailed for praying in public, and in some cases punished by death, for not complying with the religious tenants. In these countries, as well as in Egypt and Sudan, converts to Christianity are sentenced to death.

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converts to Christianity are sentenced to death.

converts to Christianity are sentenced to death.

And no Posty, this isnt a tiny group of extremists.

The reason we have freedom of press is that evrybody can make up his own opinion without being brainwashed by one viewpoint, which is what happens in the middle east. The danish goverment doesnt control the media like theyre told, and the paper already apologized days ago , like they arent told. Theyre outraged by drawings they have never seen

Its hypocrit pretending to be religiously insulted and then screw your own religion by becoming a violent neanderthal. If that happens and there is some kind of terrorist attack, it quite literally proves the drawings to be true. If muslims in europe have a problem with it, take it to the court. Or go back to the dictatorship

Farcry was one of the most awesome gaming experiences in my short life. Just walking around the amazing islands was great

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We're getting off on a tangent of "who's at fault?" No one is. It's much ado about nothing. If anything this should've gone as far as a simple, polite, hollow apology from the newspaper or at most, the country and that's that. Everything's settled. No one loses face and it drops out of the headlines.

And the next week it starts all over again. What a solution.

Unlike you i think muslims have the brainpower to grow used to this kind of stuff.

Maybe you should wonder if the Israelis find them insulting, because they are about the Israelis.

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I take that you haven't seen the drawings?How objective is Muhammad with a bomb on his head?

i take it you havent seen their drawings

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm

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On that page RD:Freedom of speech has its limits when it concerns others...How would it feel if Jesus Christ was the one insulted instead?

Thats in the comments section where all ppl can comment. Besides, you already know how we all feel when jesus is blasphemized in the middle east. It happens daily, nobody is bothered by it.

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RD, its not ok

Exactly.

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And we all know how the Muslims and Islamic people react when someone goes up agaist their belives, even I, who haven't been interessted in politics for more than a year knows that burning flags, threats and suchs is a "common" thing in the middle east.

Its ok for them to make toons about us, burn our flags and stuff, but we cant make a toon about them? Kinda hypocrite isnt it.

You keep saying we broke their most holy rule, but there is no rule in their books that forbids us anything. Its written for muslims, their rules dont apply to infidels.

Btw, a ME paper has also published the toons now, saying muslims should be reasonable, not hypocrite. Congratulations Jordan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4673908.stm

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I would say, that at this time and age, you would be wise to stay off of religious parody. Just a hint, since crazy fuckers are aiming missiles at each others, and I'm not just talking about USA/Europe vs. Middle-East situation, things aren't so great on the Pakistan-India axel either, not to mention Israel situation.

If you dont confront it, and keep apologizing just because your tired of their shit, youll never get it over with.

Anyways, now also the germans, french, dutch, spanish and italian papers have republished the cartoons and added a new one:

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The front page of the daily France Soir on Wednesday carried the headline "Yes, We Have the Right to Caricature God" and a cartoon of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods floating on a cloud. Inside, the paper reran the drawings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm

Theyre being owned by freedom

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Ok RD this is starting to make my head hurt.You sure know how to handle entitys, but you sure as hell don't know what this is about.

I am flattered by your gentle tongue

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Its nothing about the imigrants in Denmark, NOTHING. Most people here in Norway (Muslims, ME and such. And YES we are involved in the case) doesn't even care about the threats, but they say that they disrespected their holy stuff and such, but they don't put jihad on their ass cause they know the western culture by now.

I guess you havent yet experienced it, but its mortally lethal to ridicule Islam, even in many western countries such as Holland. Ofcourse this is just a tiny group of fruitcakes going around killing ppl, but it is a problem.

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Now, the thing about these drawings:Some guys (12 artists) made 1 drawing each (I explained in another post), and they got printed some time ago. And when the ME people found out, they got pissed. Cause the drawings dis-respected their holyness and violated their rules about images and pictures (which I also posted in another post).

Now; What the discussion is about is this: Did the artists\directors do the right thing by making\printing them? Did they really dis-respect the ME people by going it (even if it wasn't their intention) and what are they going to do about it now?

Ofcourse they did the right thing, they made a drawing, had an opinion and printed it. They dont have to follow middle eastern islamic rules, they live in Denmark and theyre probably atheists

back on topic, this is about the drawings not Japan or ww2.

Drawing a cartoon in your own papers is not shoving our culture down the ME throat. You know what is? Emigrating from the ME to Denmark and demanding all this shit

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So what if it happened in Death Star?

It means it happened in Denmark, in a western culture. Freedom of speech IS western culture. Where is their respect for it? If they want to live here they gotta respect it. Doesnt mean they gotta like it, but at least follow our laws.

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Stolve seems to be the single person intelligent enough to wrap the whole damn thing in to swallowable pill size format. Read his post, if you still don't understand what he is about, read it again, rinse and repeat if necessary.What WE as the mighty and oh so "civilized" western people think is O.K. might not fly elsewhere, and this is the thing that propably has started the whole shitfest the world is currently, and I'm not just talking about this incident, I'm talking about things that stretch good few decades.

Sure, what is perfectly ok and legal here, might not be so cool when we go to other countries. RESPECT is the word that comes in to mind, maybe if we respected enough each other, we might just survive the first hundred years of the 21st century, but people like the fabled cartoonist is shaving years off of that predicament all the time. And for what? Cheap laughs? Just because he had as short insight as his dick? Just because he is actually using our legal racism or "freedom of speech" as some might recognize it, he just gathered a whole few billion religious people and summed them up in 12 pictures, AND YOU MOTHER FUCKERS ARE ALL LAUGHS AND GIGGLES!

It's mind boggling to think how ignorant and short sighted people can be, but every day I wake up, I wake up to find yet another proof of whole planet worth of diminishing intelligence and most important of all, respect for fellow human being.

Ignorance is the doomsday device.

It happened in Denmark.

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I think you rather have to post a picture of Maria (Jesus' mom, the virgin), in a gangbang with 100s of people, at once.That would maybe (except that the Muslims respect their religion abit more than christians and other western people) give the same impression.

Thats not the point. When someone does draw Mary having sex with 100 monstercocks, is it ok to threaten him with death and fatwas on all his country?

That just wouldnt happen with christians. Theyll be appalled and probably take it to the court and win, which is how it should be. Any other way, GTFO ->

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There is no way you're this dumb, not even you RD.

Very cryptic and i have no idea what your talking about

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Yes, an action figure with GIJoe weapons sure is equal to those political cartoons, our arguments are slain.

I posted it because Kosmo said christians would go wild over a drawing of Jesus as a warmonger. Well here is an action figure of Jesus as a warmonger. Theres probably a factory making this stuff, unbombed.

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Awesome! Let's needlessly rile up tensions between Muslim communities and the West further. ROCK ON.

I agree with you here, we should rock on untill theyre used it. If they have a problem, take it to the court.

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This is a bunch of egos butting heads and turning what should have been a simple apology for the sake of politeness into a warrantless culture-clash.

Its not about a simple apology, its about fearing for your life for drawing a cartoon. Its a sickness that has to be exposed and wiped out, which is probably the purpose of these drawings and the reason why other countries are publishing them as well. When someone gets slaughtered and all you can say is "well what did you expect, they react to the smallest things" or "he should have apologized", then you are ignoring the real problem.