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Posts by RD
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Quote from DaanO
"You simply cant think of something without thinking about it."Please explain this sentence, it makes no sense to me and i won't comment on the rest before i understand this one. I do however get the feeling that you're oversimplifying the whole proces of thoughts here, based on the thought (i can not know whether this is an assumption of not) that thoughts are a lineair proces instead of a whole of spontaneous activity of elements that are a part of a whole of thoughts. This thought is an essential part of the theory that no fundamental free thoughts are possible. Yet again, you are using a part of what is questioned to prove it, yet you disguise it whether you see it yourself or not.
Don't get me wrong, i have an open mind to both philosophical views, i've read work from philosophers from Descartes to Sartre (including their views on a free thought) but my mind is not open for views that contradict themselves, or thoughts where the explanandum overlaps with the explanans.
What i am trying to tell you boils down to me saying that 1+1+1+1+1=5, and your response is that i am using the number 5 to prove that 6 is true. My conclusion isnt that there are no free thoughts, or that free thoughts are impossible or that thinking is a linear proces. And what i am trying to make you understand is not the conclusion but the logic.
I cant explain it anymore simple than this. IF you agree that the thoughts you can perceive in your head are made of many many other thoughts which you usually dont perceive, than you agree to evrything i have said, even the UFO threads. And NO my conclusion isnt that free thoughts are impossible or that thought is linear.
It basically boils down to a chicken or egg kinda thing. What was first, conscious thought or thought? My answer is thought, because consciousness is made of thoughts.
Btw i have no idea what sartre or descartes wrote

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Quote from DaanO
"Your decision to break it has a reason"This assumption is only based on the assumption that there are no fundamentally free thoughts.
Its not an assumption. You simply cant think of something without thinking about it. Thats logic. Its actually your assumption that this is an assumption. Btw i am not assuming there are no fundamentally free thoughts. Im sure there are, but can you consciously decide what they are? Can you think about them while they are born, like you think about a complex mathematical riddle? And if you cant, what can? Thats what i call the soul. If these thoughts were really free , then there is nothing controlling them or creating them, and the only logical conclusion is that we are robots.
I suggest you use my donut example to explain where exactly the assumption is.
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Texas Hold em you dont play against the bank, but against other players so you cant really call it rigged. Its the rules of the game.
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To be able to control your line of thinking, you would have to be able to understand and perceive your own thoughts before they are created. In other words, you would have be the chef d'oeuvre of an unborn egg and thoughtlessly control your thoughts.
Breaking the circle is only an illusion because breaking it is part of it. Your decision to break it has a reason, and this reason is based on thoughts which are part of the circle.
A paradoxic example for this paradigm, youre hungry and see 3 donuts, 1 pink and 2 black. Your first thought is to eat them, you have no control over this thought because its an impulse. Youre second thought is youre overweight. You have no control over this thought either, it is based on the memory of a recent heart attack. Youre decision not to eat the donuts is based off 2 thoughts you had no control over. What makes you think you broke the circle?
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If you have no control over the moment your thoughts are born, then you have no free will. In this infinitely short moment we simply cant consciously make choices. It would be like blinking your eye and halfway thru deciding to stop it. This either means we are just drones reacting to worldly impulses or there is actually something intelligent and conscious controlling our will. Is that a good enough explanation?
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The logic i was referring to is that IF we have (free) will (which basically all of humanity blindly assumes), than it is only logical we have a soul. You asked me if i had any articles or philosophical readings to back it up, but you only need logic to follow this line of thought. I am glad to see i am not being crazy but wise men thruout all eras of time have reached the same conclusions
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Do the girls dig him?
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No Posty, i dont have proof. Only my friend logic seems to agree with me

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Well, evrything you see, hear or feel is processed by your brain and reaches your consciousness/subconsciousness a moment after it has actually happened. Theres an even longer moment before the brain reacts to it. For us it seems like a nano second, but for the soul it could be a thousand years! It is the most important nano second of the universe for us, our thoughtbirth singularity. Just think about it mabwise!
What it adds is instead of us being drones to this nano moment we are masters of it.
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I heard about it before. I think this happens quite alot over there
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Quote from mawibse
The exact state of the brains at the moment of a "decision" is what makes it, and brains is where a thought begins and ends.
Think of a brain as a physical object, like a rock for example. How can it decide to change its state and make a decision by itself? Just like a computer cant truly make its own choices because, in the end it is always programmed.
And how much control do you have over your decisions when you have no control whatsoever over the moment your thoughts are born?
Simply mindboggling!
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If you think about it it is only logical that we must have a soul. What else makes our decisions?
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It was gins idea
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