The root of all evil: the human being itself?

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    Example Scraps, in regards to the post you responded to, please?

    Eh, it's quick and dirty mainly because I don't feel like digging in ProQuest.

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    Quote from DaanO

    I don't see how this can even be a discussion. 'Evil' itself is an invention of humanity, it doesn't even exist really. It's a cultural thing. Thus, human beings are the root of all evil.

    Divine Command Theory says that God decided what good and evil was.

    Utilitarianism says that something that doesn't maximize happiness is evil.

    Egoism says there is no evil.

    Evil is an opinion.

    Hitler for example is seen as evil to us, but there are no evil people, just wrong people. Hitler was wrong - very wrong, but he thought he was doing something really good.

    I must stress, what he did was not good, he was wrong.

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    Evil is an opinion.Hitler for example is seen as evil to us, but there are no evil people, just wrong people. Hitler was wrong - very wrong, but he thought he was doing something really good.

    I must stress, what he did was not good, he was wrong.

    I think killing 6 million jews is pretty evil.

    I dont think thats an opinion but a fact. Just because Hitler thought killing 6 million jews was good doesn't make it any less evil.

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    Egoism says there is no evil.

    No, it says evil is what I think it is.

    Quote from RD

    Just think about it, what makes our decisions? Where does a thought begin?

    The exact state of the brains at the moment of a "decision" is what makes it, and brains is where a thought begins and ends.

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    I dont think thats an opinion but a fact.

    You have an Evilometer? You know those things are said to have a direct link to the will of god, who else could judge such things, surely not man.

    Quote from mawibse

    The soul, Karma and Rebith is as scientific as the Fairy King.

    Not you again, you have obviously made it your mission to haunt me haven't you.

    But fair enough, be like that.

    As you might notice when you read my post again, and this time think about it. I said that I believe in them, as being something that exists but are not as simple or complicated we think they are, they might just be part of nature that are so complex that we don't understand them yet, thusly making them very real. Just like many say that man fitting the description of Jesus really existed but that doesn't make him some sort of mage or son of god, now does it.

    Humans understand so little of the brain and how it works, the same way we understand so little of the universe, things like these being possible is in the realm of possibility.

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    Not you again, you have obviously made it your mission to haunt me haven't you.

    If it bothers you just say the safe sentence; "mawibse is god" and I'll stop responding to your posts until you say othervice.

    Quote from Kosmo

    I believe in them, as being something that exists but are not as simple or complicated we think they are, they might just be part of nature that are so complex that we don't understand them yet, thusly making them very real.

    You have just taken one of Intelligent Designs prime argument for making ID a valid thing to teach in Science class and turned it into a defense for your personal beliefs in Fairy tale stuff.

    Unfortunately, anything man can make up, from Mind reading to Santa Claus, falls under that very defense. "It might not be discovered yet"

    You're no better then the religious yahoos, you dont need facts or studies, faith alone suits you fine.

    Nothing wrong with it, just wanted you to realize this.

    Quote from mawibse

    If it bothers you just say the safe sentence; "mawibse is god" and I'll stop responding to your posts until you say othervice.

    This is a forum, it wouldn't work wery well if we just selected the people we wanted to respond to our posts.

    Quote from mawibse

    You have just taken one of Intelligent Designs prime argument for making ID a valid thing to teach in Science class and turned it into a defense for your personal beliefs in Fairy tale stuff.

    Unfortunately, anything man can make up, from Mind reading to Santa Claus, falls under that very defense. "It might not be discovered yet"

    You're no better then the religious yahoos, you dont need facts or studies, faith alone suits you fine.

    Nothing wrong with it, just wanted you to realize this.

    I know that already, but what ever my beliefs, I know that they are bunch of fairytale at the moment, but would I want people to teach them in science class? Certainly no, there is no scientific proof for them, and might that there never will be, I have discovered them myself and I want my kids to do so too, so no bullshitting people in school

    And it's not that much a matter of firm believe that something has to absolutely exist, it's more of a "wouldn't it be cool if Jedis really existed" "dude".

    Like I said, as scientific as I am, I like to believe in things like Love and such, the world is much cooler that way, afterall I AM in a creative business, viewing world as cold and sterile place wouldn't work that good

    I'm with you Kosmo.

    *mawibse hugs Kosmo*

    Kosmo: Yeah yeah.

    *mawibse hugs Kosmo*

    Komso: .. ok thats enough.

    *mawibse hugs Kosmo*

    Kosmo: Please stop.

    *mawibse hugs Kosmo*

    Kosmo: K, thats enough, let me go or I'll headbut you.

    *mawibse hugs Kosmo*

    Kosmo:.......

    *SOCK!*

    Quote from mawibse

    The exact state of the brains at the moment of a "decision" is what makes it, and brains is where a thought begins and ends.

    Think of a brain as a physical object, like a rock for example. How can it decide to change its state and make a decision by itself? Just like a computer cant truly make its own choices because, in the end it is always programmed.

    And how much control do you have over your decisions when you have no control whatsoever over the moment your thoughts are born?

    Simply mindboggling!

    Quote from RD

    Think of a brain as a physical object, like a rock for example. How can it decide to change its state and make a decision by itself? Just like a computer cant truly make its own choices because, in the end it is always programmed.And how much control do you have over your decisions when you have no control whatsoever over the moment your thoughts are born?

    Simply mindboggling!

    Well the brains is a physical object so...

    Lets go with the fairy tale soul and say that the soul is a non physical thingamabob that gets information from the brains and then sends back decisions.

    What would that add? Nothing. It would still base its decisions on what the physical brains gives it just as the brains would.

    I dont get what the soul would add in regards to "truly make its own choices"?

    Well, evrything you see, hear or feel is processed by your brain and reaches your consciousness/subconsciousness a moment after it has actually happened. Theres an even longer moment before the brain reacts to it. For us it seems like a nano second, but for the soul it could be a thousand years! It is the most important nano second of the universe for us, our thoughtbirth singularity. Just think about it mabwise!

    What it adds is instead of us being drones to this nano moment we are masters of it.

    Quote from RD

    Well, evrything you see, hear or feel is processed by your brain and reaches your consciousness/subconsciousness a moment after it has actually happened. Theres an even longer moment before the brain reacts to it. For us it seems like a nano second, but for the soul it could be a thousand years! It is the most important nano second of the universe for us, our thoughtbirth singularity. Just think about it mabwise!What it adds is instead of us being drones to this nano moment we are masters of it.

    Again, you're assuming there's a soul. RD, do you have any philosophical readings or articles to back this stuff up or are you just waxing crazy like you're wont to do?

    Philosophical back-up? Read Sartre, use your imagination and then some more of it and you might end up at a point in thinking that vaguely resembles what rd is talking about. Or just read Sartre and follow his views. Personally, i think the wrong assumption in this debate is the existence of will itself (which is, by definition, always a free will because else it is no will at all). That is one thing i highly doubt. I see it as a model to understanding the world - and it can work wonders - but i really doubt it has any value when it comes to a metaphysical _reality_. Because people are trying to reason whether there's a will or a free will (how strange, really) they are getting stuck trying to find an answer where there ain't even a question. This assumption is ruining the debate.

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    postman are you suggesting you are some kind of unconscious robot? I agree with rd, everything we percieve is first processed throught our brains. Everything we perceive can be a big illusion, we simply do not know what is real and what not or even what consciousness (the soul) is. It's one of the biggist enigmas ever

    Not at all. I'm pointing out that RD is making the assumption that we have a soul. That is all. He says it's logical to assume there's a soul. There's nothing logical about assumption, it's simply guessing.

    The logic i was referring to is that IF we have (free) will (which basically all of humanity blindly assumes), than it is only logical we have a soul. You asked me if i had any articles or philosophical readings to back it up, but you only need logic to follow this line of thought. I am glad to see i am not being crazy but wise men thruout all eras of time have reached the same conclusions

    Since it is impossible for humans to go against the laws of physics (jump to the moon because you want to), there needs to be something transcedental if there would a free will. This is something that all philosophers, no matter how different their views are, agree on.

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