Posts by Bic-B@ll

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That instructor said he told agents that Hanjour was "a very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit." The instructor added, "Maybe his English wasn't very good."

although other reports say his skills were "so bad." but like my conversation before, the plane will fly itself to where they want it. 99% of their piloting was the input of coordinates for the plane to fly itself. after that they just have to take over manually, keep it level and pointed at their target. they obviously were able to do it with the wtc.

Quote from Minotauro

The links you posted just prooved that planes don't desintegrate in crashes.

are you fucking kidding me?

that first one, two planes were on the runway, one hit the other, that is the result. all that is left of one is a wing, the second one has no tail at all. that is from a collision

the second one hit some trees when going fast, torn to shreds.

the third one, there is fucking nothing left, nothing at all, how many pieces do you see there? and it hit trees.

the fourth shows how fire can melt away the entire top of the plane (note it was eventually extinguished and the whole fire goes up thing)

the fifth shows how much explosive force there is in the fuel

now think about the plane diving from the fucking sky right into the fucking ground. combine what happens when planes collide, when they crash into trees, when they catch on fire, and when they explode. the thing crashed straight into the fucking ground. how could there possibly be something left?

kosmo, read what i wrote about all of them, they are different situations. of course there is going to be some of the plane left when it doesn't leave the ground and gets hit in one specific area, or when it goes on fire on a runway, or fails a landing. this crash is hugely different, in the worse way.

how many 757s have gone nose down into the ground at 580 mph at a near 90 degree angle (An eyewitness observed that Flight 93 “hit the ground at almost a 90-degree angle » - USA Today, 9/12/01)? The crater it left was 115 ft deep. you're going to see a bunch of websites that say "this is what a real jet crash looks like!" and see a bunch of pictures of failed landings or some shit.

here's the crash site 11 days after:

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here are some crashes for you:

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w770327.htm

these two planes collided while still on the ground, and left that

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w850812.htm

there’s a 747 somewhere in there

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w740303.htm

DC-10 crash

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w800819.htm

a fire can burn right through the fuselage

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w790525.htm

whoa, probably not much left there

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w940426.htm

wee some more

my point is that planes can be torn apart easily, they're built to take the stresses of flying, not be crash proof or anything. shocks on the wheels and the cushioning on your seat is all you get. fly that bigass thing at 580 mph into the ground at a steep angle and i bet not much would be left. not to mention that every picture you will see of the crash is from a distance away where all you see is the berm/ridge of the crater with a small amount of debris, for all we know there could be bodies and shit inside the hole.

besides, what would be the motive of crashing a plane in the middle of nowhere? i can see the motive of the government trying to go to war and taking down two big towers and a military building, but sending a cruise missile into a field in bumfuck nowhere? why?

legitimate plane crash?

the end part there is key

so i had a little discussion with a pilot friend of mine, further reinforcing my belief that it's not all that difficult to fly a plane straight into the side of a building:

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[18] me: how likely is it that a 757 can fly low level and hit between the first and second floor when an amateur pilot is flying?[18] pilot: The didn't aim for a specific floor.

[18] me: give me some fancy terms like "ground effect" and stuff

[18] me: i have one website saying the plane hit the ground and another says it didnt

[18] pilot: ground efect is when lift equals force of gravity and you get stuck like 50 feet above the ground

[18] pilot: they divebombed the pentagon

[18] me: that works when going down too?

[18] me: i dont know about dive bomb

[18] pilot: the set up the autopilot with the coordinates

[18] me: they came in from like 2 miles away

[18] me: you sure about that?

[18] pilot: and then the turned the auto pilot off when they were within visual of the building and then cut power to descend to ground level

[18] me: they came in from the north west

[18] me: flew south east

[18] me: and swung around west -> north

[18] me: and hit it at like 30 degrees

[18] pilot: yeah...they knew what they were doing

[18] pilot: they knew the performance of the airplane

[18] me: how difficult would it be to fly the plane close to the ground though?

[18] me: i dont think it would be super hard

[18] me: but im not a pilot

[18] pilot: you have to land don't you

[18] me: yeah but were talking about guys who have only flown some cessnas a few times

[18] me: it's entirely possible that they flew a 757 low level into the first/second floor of the pentagon?

[18] pilot: no no..they were way more trained then you think

[18] pilot: sure...you really think it's that hard

[18] pilot: a 757 can fly itself

[18] me: i dont

[18] pilot: they are set up so that as soon as you take off you push a button and it flys all the way to ground level

[18] pilot: you push that same button and then the captain lands

[18] me: the thing is so massive and not very sensitive that you can just glide it in?

[18] pilot: commercial airline pilots are there for supervision of the systems

[18] pilot: you can glide it in...it's a bit more complicated than that

[18] pilot: though

[18] pilot: the heaver something is the bigger the dent when it falls

[18] pilot: that's physics

[18] me: i meant steer not really glide

[18] pilot: they have hydraulic systems for 'steering'

[18] pilot: it doesn't take more than your pointer and thumb to fly them

[18] pilot: and if you need more than that, you're trying too had

[18] pilot: hard*

[18] me:

[18] me: i cant find anywhere that decisively says the plane hit the ground

[18] pilot: they were trained

[18] me: there's a big mark on the lawn but it's not from the plane

[18] pilot: many went to flight schools in florida and flew flight simulators

[18] pilot: the mark is from the fire afterwards

[18] me: it's from before 9/11

[18] me: (Link: http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-1 ... 9_7_01.jpg)http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-11/P…agon_9_7_01.jpg

[18] me: you can see the line there on the 7th

[18] me: the plane hit just to the left

[18] me: i have a feeling it didn’t hit the ground because the right engine hit the top of a generator

[18] me: and the engines are lower than the body

[18] pilot: yes but if one of the wings dipped then one engine could hit the generator and the other could have been high in the air...or low...in the ground

[18] me: if the engine hit the ground it would be visible though

[18] pilot: this picture is from way before...what side did it hit?

[18] me: i don’t see the point of them going omg roll when they are 5 feet from the building any who

[18] me: top

[18] me: left of the helipad

[18] me: top is west

[18] pilot: not roll

[18] pilot: it would have bee a pilot causes oscillation of the aircraft

[18] me: huh

[18] pilot: meaning that the pilot moved his arm causing one of the wings to dip

[18] me:

[18] pilot: or the trust of one engine was more then the other

[18] pilot: or they hit a pocket of air coming over the highway

[18] me: is there a system that will keep the plane level other than autopilot?

[18] pilot: it could be anything

[18] pilot: no

[18] pilot: there's trim

[18] pilot: it's like cruise control for your steering wheel

[18] me: i don’t think trim would really apply here though

[18] pilot: but the slightest change of airspeed can cause the trim to unsetting causing a slight nose up or nose down attitude

[18] pilot: i'm telling you...

[18] pilot: they cut the power way back in order to have more control at lower speeds

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i do agree that it's sketchy that they won't release the tapes. they'll show that security cam footage which shows basically nothing, people have been pasting 757s and cruse missiles in it to prove their theories, another camera angle could shed some light on what happened. though i still don't agree with what you're saying about aiming the plane. it's relatively flat terrain, there is a road to follow, and they have an altimeter. just fly into the building.

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Quote from Minotauro

The Pentagon is humongous. All they had to do was fly the plane in it somewhere. If they hit another spot you'd probably have said it is very hard to hit it exactly there, but the truth is it is almost impossible to miss something that big, you always hit it somewhere. Just like someone can fire a gun and hit a brick in the pyramids from 10miles away, it doesnt make him a sharpshooter. Well it does if he can hit it twice.

Yeah I agree. hitting something as big as the WTC is easy but you will have to agree with me that hitting a 4-story building with a highway next to it must be pretty hard

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what does the highway have to do with anything? if you look at the flight path it follows the highway and goes right into the building, the only obsticales were light poles, which the plane did hit. fly low in a straight path and drop down until you tap the ground, bounce up and hit into the building.

if you call "around the corner" 6 months, then yeah, around the corner

the only thing i want is a little more variety. running around to find buttons and kill either a few headcrabs, a million basic combines, or a handful of elite combines gets super redudant. i guess that's more of a hl2 problem though.

i thought "awesome"

Quote from Thrik

Bic lives in a world of his own. He is insane.

we have?

it did touch the ground, maybe if you looked at this:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

you would see that the plane hit phone poles, took out a fence, hit a generator, DID hit the ground, and hit BETWEEN the first and second floors

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/1.jpg

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http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/gen ... -small.jpg

"Even though the two airplanes flown into the World Trade Center towers were travelling faster at the time of impact than the Pentagon plane was (400 MPH vs. 350 MPH), hit aluminum-and-glass buildings rather than reinforced concrete walls, and didn't dissipate much of their energy striking the ground first (as the Pentagon plane did), they still barely penetrated all the way through the WTC towers."

"As eyewitnesses described and photographs demonstrate, the hijacked airliner dived so low as it approached the Pentagon that it actually hit the ground first, thereby dissipating much of the energy that might otherwise have caused more extensive damage to the building; nonetheless, as described by The New York Times, the plane still hit not "just the ground floor" but between the first and second floors:"

"The Boeing 757 crashed into the outer edge of the building between the first and second floors, "at full power," Mr. Rumsfeld said. It penetrated three of the five concentric rings of the building."

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

about the debris:

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/crashdebris.html

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