Gears of War 2

    Quote from Cybbe

    Yeah, doing the same thing again with better tech is really shameful...

    lol BURN

    I'm not sure if you were actually implying something there, maybe Cybbe has better antennas for this than me, but good that we agree...I was more aiming at the entire marketing boiling down to the rifle-chainsaw combination though.

    Yeah, well, I'm hoping the game will live up to it's task anyway. And just by being as awesome or awesomer than the first is good enough for me, really. But I'd really like to see it acheiving that by introducing new stuff instead of just boiling everything in the same pot. But who knows.. However, it's epic. They don't usually disappoint (noone is ever talking about ut2k3 again, ever. Ever.)

    And, well.. The chainsaw is freaking awesome though. Really great I loved it, and I still love it. And the chainsaw in the teaser made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

    Still liked the tech demo better though

    If it's at least a slight improvement on the first, I'll enjoy it.

    If it's a slight improvement or better on the first and includes the chainsaw move shown in this teaser, I shall giggle forth with nerd glee.

    Quote from FrieChamp

    I'm not sure if you were actually implying something there, maybe Cybbe has better antennas for this than me, but good that we agree...I was more aiming at the entire marketing boiling down to the rifle-chainsaw combination though.

    Forgive me; my post was kind of alluding to Farcry and Crysis.

    I don’t understand what the problem is, it’s as if capitalising off something different is a bad thing. You never seem to get this when the next FPS comes out, using the same formula that’s been there since the dawn of time. Another shotgun? I call cliche and gimmick.

    put in perspective, i dont think miniscule details like what weapon types you get to fire are important anymore; rather, that gameplay/gunplay stays the same. i played through gears of war not long ago, and i had to take breaks every few hours because the game got too boring or too tedious (i.e., dying before a far autosave). while i enjoyed some of the story and some of the special boss scenes, those were few and far inbetween. if gears of war 2 is more of the same, it's only rental worthy to me, at best. an average game in most aspects.

    now if they added some sort of mechanics to evolve the chainsaw bayonet techniques, then we could start talking. if you would be able to take out 2 or 3 drones or even a boss while pressing different buttons after doing a chainsaw kill, the game would suddenly become much more interesting.

    Quote from Taylor

    Forgive me; my post was kind of alluding to Farcry and Crysis.

    I don’t understand what the problem is, it’s as if capitalising off something different is a bad thing. You never seem to get this when the next FPS comes out, using the same formula that’s been there since the dawn of time. Another shotgun? I call cliche and gimmick.

    The way you generalize FPS games shows how little you apparently know about the differences between the individual games.

    On GoW: Have you watched the series "The road to alpha" about the development behind GoW at Epic Games around E3 2006? It was a 4 episodes documentary shot by MTV, part of the promotion for the game. When you hear Cliff B. talk about how the rifle and the chainsaw is like "chocolate cream and peanut butter combined", the epic games president raves about "how the entire game came together in the creation of this weapon yadda yadda circle jerk etc" - I feel like they are making pretty big promises for a weapon that's basically your standard shooter assault rifle and your doom1 chainsaw taped together.

    Of course, it is violent, something they were striving for during the entire development of the game, but I think that's a pretty weak argument to make it the trademark for your game.

    If you look at other games with plenty of arsenal, you also often have a weapon that stands out - but in most cases I feel like it deserves the attention because it's an original idea or because of the opportunities/tools it gives me as a player. Gravity gun in hl2, customizable weapons in call of duty 4, crysis that i can adapt to my playstyle/tactic etc.

    The rifle-chainsaw weapon in GoW is a neat gimmick, which had me giggle the first few times I used it, but then it bored me, because it was the same "run up to a guy, press the button, watch the animation" over and over again. It is this "Oh my god dude I like totally chainsawed that guy LOL" mentality which is fun for a while but kills your braincells when overdone. Apparently this doesn't stop the marketing people from MS to put this "chainsaw rifle" stamp on the entire franchise, which is why it is now in the teaser for GoW2!

    Maybe I'm going a bit overboard with this rant, but I got a cold and I'm lying on my couch right now and I got enough time on my hands to present my thoughts this thoroughly. Believe me, I played GoW, it's a highly enjoyable experience. It may not be the most intellectual experience you can get from a game, but which 1st/3rd person shooter is really? And at this they have done an excellent job, but why do they need to artificially dumb down the game so a 16 year old in Oklahoma picks up the game at Wal Mart to play it in his parent's basement, because "OMG it has that chainsaw move"? Because this way they think they can get the most money out of it.

    If publishers would present their games in a different light, who knows, they might even convince people that games aren't just for kids and nerds or promote violence!

    Please, the comment was only half-serious. I think you know, that I know, that Crysis isn't just Farcry with better foliage.

    But I still don't see the problem with focusing on a gimmick that people like, on the grounds that people like it. It would sure be nice if every new game offered a whole range of ground-breaking innovative features and a hefty brand of intellectualism, but at the end of the day there’s nothing wrong with ‘more of the same,’ and shooters are ultimately about boyish fantasy - even the clever ones.

    I thought YOU know, that Germans (me included) can sense sarcasm as well as the Queen can dance Schuhplattler, so bare with me please

    I don't know.."more of the same" just doesn't cut it for me anymore. I guess it's the same with "blockbuster" movies and pop music, or maybe I'm just getting old

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