My simulation of Debate Numero Uno

Quote from st0lve

From Green Day - Holiday:

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Sieg Heil to the president gasmanBombs away is your punishment

Pulverize the Eiffel towers

Who criticize your government

Bang bang goes the broken glass man

Kill all the fags that don't agree

Trials by fire, setting fire

Is not a way that's meant for me

Just cause, just cause, because we're outlaws yeah!

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ololo I dunno, I just get strange ideas.

Stolve, stay in EOT man.

No.

Quote from Urban

well.. more power to them then... let them die at the end of a american made m16... if they wanna die so bad.. why is UBL hiding?

You really have no idea do you. A martyr is replaced almsot instantly by 3+ more people who see his deeds as brave. How do you think Christianity got so damned big?

Want to squelch a following? Lock 'em in a windowless room and don't talk about them for a couple generations.

Quote from Teppesh

First thing wrong with france is the fact that the Gaul's are just a newer friendlier version of the Nazi party. Extreame nationalism, socialism and a strong anti-semetic bias, sounds like fascism to me.Also about the poor. I was born in poverty, and grew up in poverty. I can say we don't and never wanted hand outs, hand outs don't help. Help is appreciated, but the vast majority of us wantv to be able to take care of ourselves. Suffer from lack of an edgucation, edgucate yourself, I did.

Suffer from injury and illness, heal yourself, i did. The thing about socialism is that, in a socialistic world it is assumed that I am hopeless, incapible of improving my own lot, so programs are instituted to house me, feed me, and heal me, with everyone else paying for it. Do you know how depricating it is to be on welfare? How hard it is to get off of it?

I no longer live in abject poverty, Yeah, I'm hardley rich, but in a socialist world I could never get as far as I have. Also, without hardship, their is rarely aney motivation to change ones lot. Communism, and socialism are simular in that, both breed stagnation.

Where to begin. First off, suggesting that France, of all countries, is facist is a bit of a farce. There's no strong central leader with incredible charsima. If you want to talk ignorant nationalism and anti-semitism, you really need to hit up the Southern United States. We're bubbling with it.

As per the poor not wanting handouts? I think the welfare system would like to have a talk with you. You overcame to some degree? Great, kudos on a job well done. By and large poverty breeds stagnation, either through bad personal habits acquired from the area in which you live, or because of a lack of willpower or perhaps belief that a higher power will give them a nice life after they die (giving up before you're even out the gates).

Socialism, I don't believe breeds stagnation. Communism, however does, but for different reasons than you listed. A system of trade and industry cannot flourish under a system in which abuse is so easy to spawn. Capitalism at least takes our lesser qualities (greed, slothe, pride etc) and puts them to good use. Socialism is still democracy, and is still capitalism to a certain extent, only less-so. Check out some modern European nations if you want examples.

As per self education, I hate to engage in a personal attack Tepp, but man, you even managed to mispell "education."

Quote from von*ferret

And asked who is the more richer and more powerful country the European Socialists or the United States of America, I know where I stand.

Yeah, we have more weapons and two oceans on either side. Of course we're more powerful. Richer? I think some European nations would like to have a word with you. If you're going with landmass to wealth ratio anyhow