Multiverse MMO engine

Hey Waldo!

Looks very interesting. But when is your book releasing? I've prebought my copy and now am waiting patiently

i got a 404 for the "games built for multiverse link" picture looks neat though, good to see people making innovative games/learning tools or whatever. all we have on mars is doom, and that's hardly relevant.

i might purchase a copy of your book as well :^)

I'm also getting 404's all over the site, the business model does sound interesting though.

Any MMO that doesn't involve orcs and elves is interesting to me, especially when it involves colonizing!

Tim coming back to its old love i.e. mapcore? I can't believe my eyes Good luck with this project, as you know I'll be keeping in touch

Multiverse eh? Why do I think of the movie "The One" with Jet Li? :wink:

You know they had another MMO engine that was free that was made by the guys who made that Ryzom MMO it was pretty interesting. Was a little more graphical I think in my last viewing. you gave a nifty project I will say. I noticed James Cameron was on there Advisory board So I am sure it can't be 100% ass and OMG how can you not have PVP for god sakes PVE is lame... LAME!!!!! Its like what the hell is the point of playing an MMO when you can kill the otherside. I mean look at WOW, PVE blows because once you get to the top level and then you get all your raid gear YOUR DONE, thats it there is nothing left to do. Now with PVP you are left with something to do. Now if you had a good world PVP model, that did not suck total balls, something where like it was a specific zone per say that players had to pass through in order to get to something... I am going to use my l33t paint skills for this folks.

http://www.thewacko.com/pvpmap.jpg

The reason this works so well is what ever faction is controlling the world PVP section gets some affect on there side, the reason why this would work out well is you could quest and stuff in the non-pvp areas and then when your all done with that stuff you have something to do. I mean there is a reason why PVE servers have like million of high level characters because there is nothing to do and its so easy to level. I just thought I would comment on that.

Anyways nifty project keep us posted on its status and good to see ya posting again, and tell David Marsh HE ROCKS!!!!!

Please dude when you are talking about an engine don't talk about money, just cut out that part.

From my point of view this may be interesting project but I'm not sure this will be used by Nasa.

The project, concept and business model sounds interesting, but the site needs to be something other than a giant 404 error for me to find out exactly how much.

Amazing derail about PvP: I think PvP is needed in a MMORPG (or MMO-anything), for various reasons - the main being it gives people something to do. I think WoW was never intended to have such a big PvP aspect, it was more a mini-game that got built on heavily once Blizzard realised their casual-friendly game actually only tailors to hardcore players once you hit the maximum level. I imagine Tigole was too busy making raid instances to care, so someone else developed it to try and stop everyone quitting.

It's PvP system also isn't very good - in fact it's terrible: Bad class balance, even worse item balance, and no World PvP to speak of. Yet people are prepared to play it until they hit High Warlord, a feat that is only capable if you play until you are in a serious state of unhealth. WoW also implemented a 'world pvp' feature not too long ago, which is not completely unlike the one Wacko is decribing. It's simple enough in concept and required no new features to be added to the code. You hand in resources (sand, in a desert) or capture towers and everyone in the area gets a long-duration PvE orientated buff. But his basically boils down to a constant buff to whoever has the largest faction and was not recieved well by the players.

Of course, if this is meant to be educational. An emphasis on blowing each other up might not help its cause.

this game really wouldn't be targeted towards hardcore people who live to pvp in mmo's. It would be more of a social/civ type game.

From what I have seen so far of multiverse, they have a really interesting direction but the tech still has a little ways to go before it's ready for someone to just sit down and make a great looking game with it. That said, there really aren't many other options for an independant mmo engine.

And wacko, I think you need to cut your daily monster drink intake down to a few cans a day! I'm thinking about your health here buddy

I think building a big colony on mars sounds very interesting. I don't quite understand where everyone gets off explaining how important pvp is to an mmo, when really the entire point was how important pvp was to WoW. I heard no such close-minded ramblings when we all collectivly rejoiced at the genius of Spore (which apparently encourages players to fly to other planets and destroy whatever beautiful creation they worked hard on.)

Anyway, I've always been intrigued and excited by the concept of a co-operative mmo. That being it's main function. I remember jumping for joy years ago when I heard about Uru, and how cool it was gonna be "from the maker's of Myst." The idea of getting dropped into a strange world with my friends and running around together to solve the puzzles of the world was really neat. Coupled with content drops coming in "seasons" like a tv show, so we could continue exploring deeper and deeper seemed too good to be true. And it was, it was a total failure and almost a deliberate lie. However, I'm still waiting for that co-op mmo that encourages players to work together to solve a larger mystery (think about how crazy Lost fans are about the show and try to satiate that demographic.)

Ramblings galore! Good luck, and I'll check it out in Austin tomorrow.

Oh and all the lies SOE told us about Star Wars Galaxies...man I was really looking forward to that title, building guild towns on different planets and all that

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I don't quite understand where everyone gets off explaining how important pvp is to an mmo, when really the entire point was how important pvp was to WoW. I heard no such close-minded ramblings when we all collectivly rejoiced at the genius of Spore (which apparently encourages players to fly to other planets and destroy whatever beautiful creation they worked hard on.)

DAoC, Warhammer, Planetside, Eve, Guildwars... there are alot of other MMO games that have been kept alive, or will keep alive, due to a PvP system. I used WoW as an example because it's the most obvious: it has 7 million subscribers and would've been dead without its PvP system - even though it is a complete mess. I'm sorry the example was a case-of-point and therefore much more close-minded than... um, Spores unique PvP system nobody knows anything about?

Though I regret using big words like "needed" now I come back to read my posts after I've had some sleep. I recall Everquest and a variety of MUD's doing quite well without any real PvP emphasis... No, it's not essential, it's just an easy way to keep people hooked. I would continue to add that it is competition and not necessarily actual PvP combat that fuels this, and that it could be incorporated in different ways. But I don't like the way this is going, and it's moot to Waldo/Zaphod's game regardless.

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That was about as good as discussion gets for an engine whose informational website consisted entirely of 404 errors.

This sounds like it has potential and I'm excited; I'm excited for you. But I would really like to know more.

Edit: Past-tense, website is now functioning properly.

Edit 2: And now it's spitting out 404's again.

is a garage games type publishing model feasible for mmos? Or are mmo games simply to large to be done by a small indie team and be good enough to succeed. EVE did it with a larger scale team, a tale in the desert had only 2 developers I have heard.

As MMO's get more and more mainstream with the help of bluckbuster titles, hopefully more mmo engines with publishing models that work like multiverse and torque on garage games will become available, although one could see the difficulties in producing any kind of easily moddable generic mmo engine since it's so complex by it's own nature.

Ryzom, the game wacko mentioned is putting out it's engine as open source http://www.nevrax.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php , or at least that was the plan in 2003 when there were articles written about it.

article -> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/lin ... 6/nel.html

It certainly has a lot of potential this from what I've found out from talking to Waldo about it. I can see it being good fun even if theirs no direct PvP.