Bush Administration infiltrating NASA...

But but but, during the State of the Union address he promised us 70,000 more science teachers!*

*so he can teach that the world is 6,000 years old and made by God.

What a fucking fool. This is seriously one of the worst and most regressive administrations ever.

i think posty said it all.

I am truely amazed that I can be amazed day after day how USA has the most ignorant, fundamental leader in the world, and people don't see it.

That guy is making the whole country in to a drooling tribe of barbarians.

These things are shocking but they are really not that surprising. The saddest, saddest fact is that he was actually voted in for another term. That speaks to some deplorable truths about the American people.

I voted him in, what deporable truths does that reveal about me?

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I voted him in, what deporable truths does that reveal about me?

Short memory?

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These things are shocking but they are really not that surprising. The saddest, saddest fact is that he was actually voted in for another term. That speaks to some deplorable truths about the American people.

true... but it does not say that much about the american people, more about how one can be fooled by none objective media etc... these things happen everywhere if you look at our history. bet hitler wouldnt have been in control back then if people new his real agenda. its all about giving people something they want to hear, people eventually open their eyes. most people in america (and the rest of the world) have but dont do shit cause they think they wouldnt make a difference

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I voted him in, what deporable truths does that reveal about me?

You keep chiming in whenever someone blames the constituency that brought him in. What are you trying to achieve by this? Not a flame, just honest curiousity.

Do you not feel like your vote was a mistake or are you proud of how this administration is disintegrating rights and turning us slowly into a police state?

No I'm defending my own personal opinion that I appreciate his presidency and I'm proud of the fact I voted. I'm also here to inform you that not everyone shares your opinion. While your opinion is valid and I appreciate you're so active, I want you to know that not everyone agrees with you. Your opinion is just that, and not a fact. We could argue about it for hours. Though just because you feel that you got the raw end of the deal and Bush was voted back into office, doesn't mean that the majority of Americans are "deplorable." I simply dont appreciate how you assume that I'm either ashamed or blinded by something. Maybe people have other opinions and you should respect that instead of simply putting me in a corner and "pitying" my decision.

Ferret is right, there is no telling what opinion is right in this matter for the country has pretty much a non-demogratic system, a system of a whole three parties, I would see that even if they chose Al Gore at the first election, things would have been no different. A Problem without an correct answer.

BUT, I must say, that when it comes to any president, I judge them not by the arbitrary "descision making skill" but the result of their descision, Bush has made alot of enemies around the world, and alot of people have died in needless wars because of Bush. So I deem him unfit for a leader by default.

AGAIN, I must assume that things might have gone differently if there was a different kind of president in charge, since if things were the same under anyone in charge, we would bithc about him too.

Bush once again shows nepotism trumps experience. Starting with Brown in FEMA and now Deutsch in NASA, these political appointees are simply ridiculous. Granted, while every president is allowed a great deal of political appointees, 24 year olds shouldn't be appointed to positions of this much power, much the same as an Arabian horse judge shouldn't be appointed to the head emergency office in this country.

Additionally, this is a major blow against objective science. Big bang theory is the predominant theory- mainly because it's backed up by a ridiculous amount of evidence. We've got the 3 degree kelvin background radiation, the huge amounts of redshift from every object in the universe and we've got particles popping in and out of the residual energy from the big bang. We have no evidence of intelligent design or of anything that would remotely question the big bang theory.

Science isn't a democracy. It's a republic. Our theories are elected by scientists who rely on massive amounts of data. The fact that this can be undermind by some pissant barely out of college that can't tell a rocket ship from a crucifix is disgusting.

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No I'm defending my own personal opinion that I appreciate his presidency and I'm proud of the fact I voted.

You're appreciative of the deficit spending? You're appreciative of the cuts to social programs that pale in comparison to the massive budget he's proposed for the war while we are in dire need of funding for the areas hit by Katrina? You're appreciative of his backing of "Intelligent Design" that will only seek to either further cripple our public school system or produce a whole lot of very dumb students? You're appreciative of his blatant cronyism that probably cost a lot of hurricane victims their lives? You're appreciative of his administration and all the rampant and blatant corruption they've brought with them?

Gadzooks man, I'd hate to see what it would take for you to finally snap and disagree with this man and his administration.

I'm glad you voted, Ferret, but even I can realize a mistake after I've made a decision. However, it seems like you're defending this president regardless of any mistake he makes. That just seems inherently dishonest to both yourself and what the Republican party really stands for, or well, stood for.

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I'm also here to inform you that not everyone shares your opinion. While your opinion is valid and I appreciate you're so active, I want you to know that not everyone agrees with you. Your opinion is just that, and not a fact.

Opinions can be backed up by fact though, and the facts of the matter are that this current administration is dealing with a massive backlash due to rampant cronyism, corruption charges, and assaults on our domestic liberties while cutting taxes for the top 1-2% while running a very costly war.

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We could argue about it for hours. Though just because you feel that you got the raw end of the deal and Bush was voted back into office, doesn't mean that the majority of Americans are "deplorable."

Doesn't mean they didn't make an awful mistake for which we're going to be paying the consequences for years and years to come though, either.

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I simply dont appreciate how you assume that I'm either ashamed or blinded by something. Maybe people have other opinions and you should respect that instead of simply putting me in a corner and "pitying" my decision.

I'd personally just like to know where you stand. If you still support this administration and if you still feel good about voting him in. You've answered that. Like I said, it wasn't an attack on you and was merely an honest curiousity so cut the persecution complex.

What Scraps said is very true though. Acting like there's some kind of argument here where there really isn't one is a tactic that the Religious Right in all its wisdom likes to use to wedge in a debate. There is an absolute mountain of evidence supporting the Big Bang theory. There is only faith supporting "Intelligent Design." One is science, the other is not. Period.

Well here's something you all should know:

-Most creationist/self-proclaimed scientist who believe in Intelligent Design support the big bang theory. It supports the idea that the universe starts from a single point and revolves around it. This idea of singularity supports the notion of a god.

-The big bang theory has major holes starting from the base. It assumes the explosion was not symmetrical/even for some unknown reasons and assumes there is selveral different forms of dark matter, and all sorts of unproved notions to support why the movement of stars/planets don't add up.

-I believe NASA needs lots of work done to it to improve cost, productivity, and keeping up to date with technology. This appointee may just be the move that starts the dominos, hopefully the reform or removal of NASA.

Basically what this all means to me: The 24 year old douche or whatever his name is believes that support big bang is against intelligent design. He is a dumbass. He is arguing against his own belief in dumbass confusion.

Heres somthing you should know DD:

The big bang theory has nothing to do with god or ID.

If god created the universe there is no reason not to conjure it in any state god so wished, singularity is not an issue for god, for man perhaps but not god.

That train of thought is like saying evolution supports the notion of god because all life forms start with one type of very simple organism and all others evolves from it.

When it comes to cosmology there is a shitload of "holes" because we currently dont posess the means to validate and experiment on theories on that scale, dont mean its got something to do with god or ID.

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http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/02/…tml%22%22George C. Deutsch, who tried to muzzle top NASA climate scientist James Hansen and ordered NASA web designers to add the word 'theory' to every mention of the Big Bang, has resigned. The New York Times reports that NASA declines to discuss the reasons for his resignation, but that it came the same day that Texas A&M University, from which Deutsch claimed on his resume to have graduated, revealed that he had attended the university but did not complete his degree." The New York Times reports it today, but as of yesterday, it was the Times that had unquestioningly passed along the falsehood of Deutsch's graduation, and it was the blog Scientific Activist whose investigation revealed he'd left before graduating to work on the Bush reelection campaign."

Muahahahaha. Oh Tom, thank you for this

These two quotes make me giggle like a school girl:

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The New York Times reports that NASA declines to discuss the reasons for his resignation, but that it came the same day that Texas A&M University, from which Deutsch claimed on his resume to have graduated, revealed that he had attended the university but did not complete his degree.

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...the falsehood of Deutsch's graduation, and it was the blog Scientific Activist whose investigation revealed he'd left before graduating to work on the Bush reelection campaign.

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Well here's something you all should know:-Most creationist/self-proclaimed scientist who believe in Intelligent Design support the big bang theory. It supports the idea that the universe starts from a single point and revolves around it. This idea of singularity supports the notion of a god.

Actually most of them don't. Where'd you get this wacky idea? Most of them think the big bang, in the words of the infamous bumper sticker I've seen next to a lot of Darwin-eating Jesus-fish, is: "The Big Bang: God said it, bang it happened."

Honestly, they believe that it all spawned instantaneously in a void, like placing a model in a level you're designing. Let there be light, and then god adjusted the values on his point lights.

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-The big bang theory has major holes starting from the base. It assumes the explosion was not symmetrical/even for some unknown reasons and assumes there is selveral different forms of dark matter, and all sorts of unproved notions to support why the movement of stars/planets don't add up.

You know that they've been studying dwarf galaxies lately and discovering more about dark matter, right? The lack of full knowledge does not, in any way, mean that something is invalid. That's the wonder of science, it's constantly changing. Unlike the simps from the Religious Right and the Intelligent Design fundies who have no idea what science is and simply mean to jam the words "God did this." into any cracks yet un-filled.

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-I believe NASA needs lots of work done to it to improve cost, productivity, and keeping up to date with technology. This appointee may just be the move that starts the dominos, hopefully the reform or removal of NASA.

Removal of NASA? DD, do you have any idea how much technology and research goes on in and because of NASA? Removing them would do one of two things (and perhaps both):

1. Make the public, on the whole, just that much dumber.

2. Sling space exploration firmly into the hands of irresponsible private firms who would exploit space for their own short-sighted ends.

Furthermore, the guy got fired. I doubt his brand of idiocy and being a crony of the Bush administration would've pushed the NASA folks in any good direction.

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Basically what this all means to me: The 24 year old douche or whatever his name is believes that support big bang is against intelligent design. He is a dumbass. He is arguing against his own belief in dumbass confusion.

Dumbass yes. Belief defying dumbass? No. Belief injecting dumbass? Yes.

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Well here's something you all should know:-Most creationist/self-proclaimed scientist who believe in Intelligent Design support the big bang theory. It supports the idea that the universe starts from a single point and revolves around it. This idea of singularity supports the notion of a god.

Wrong. Neither Dembski nor Behe support it. E-mails subpoenaed in Kitzmiller V. Dover prove it.

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-The big bang theory has major holes starting from the base. It assumes the explosion was not symmetrical/even for some unknown reasons and assumes there is selveral different forms of dark matter, and all sorts of unproved notions to support why the movement of stars/planets don't add up.

Wrong. This one stems from your ignorance about the Big Bang Theory. The big bang theory wasn't a singularity exploding. The big bang was energy turning into matter. Something big "just didn't explode" into lots of little things. Matter coalesced out of energy. That's why it's not symmetrical, that's why there is no exact center of the universe, that's why we have energy forms we still don't understand.

Wait, wait, there's an equation for this, hang on.

Oh, right. E=MC^2. Energy = Matter times the Speed of Light squared. Ever wonder why we get energy from fusion? The process spits out a positron which combines with an electron, eliminating each other's mass in a huge outpouring of energy.

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-I believe NASA needs lots of work done to it to improve cost, productivity, and keeping up to date with technology. This appointee may just be the move that starts the dominos, hopefully the reform or removal of NASA.

NASA was already revamped back in the 90's. Does the mantra "Faster, better, cheaper" mean anything to you?

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Basically what this all means to me: The 24 year old douche or whatever his name is believes that support big bang is against intelligent design. He is a dumbass. He is arguing against his own belief in dumbass confusion.

What?

No, seriously, what?