The beginning of the end for 35mm?

    Quote from Holeman

    the photographs become yellow if they arnt processed correctly, or if the technology wasnt quite up to par (like 70s color photos) but the actual film stays around in great condition for a long long time, and you can reprint with them, where as digital is just a file, just 1's and 0's that isnt anything actually tangible

    Modern film and prints can be processed incorrectly, a few minutes off in a certain chemical (fixer?) can mean destroyed work. 1's and 0's are equally tangible as a roll of film IMO. I'm guessing you're the kind of person who would prefer a piece of cake rather than enough money for an entire cake? You can argue up and down for both sides, just I'm willing to bet most people with experience in both prefer the digital route. Enough to validate the decision to stop making 35mm cameras

    No, i do not thing a piece of cake is better than money for an entire cake, i think thats a good metaphor, but i dont agree. I simply do not think digital storage is even on par with film, and I dont dislike digital photography, but keeping a harddrive for a hundred years is not the same as keeping film negatives. There are film negatives like ook was saying that he gets to see from his grandparents, he can print those today. Digital is a brand new technology, do you really think harddrives or computers or anything that could possible store those digital pictures will be the same in a hundred years so that you can easily print those? Now there are ways to put digital pictures onto film, that I think is sweet. As for ruining film, ya its a tricky business, thats why I started a whole thread in with glee when I processed my own film for the first time, and DIDNT fuck up, i was proud of myself because 80% of everyone else doing it for the first time screwed their's up. But theres a reason you learn and master the techniques. So, film is tangible, you can hold it in your hand, you can put it in a box and ook can see it 2 generations later. 1's and 0's are not, im sure people will take AMAZING care of their harddrives...but one magnet later and its a paperweight.

    im not gonna be able to print pictures in hundreds of years anyway....

    but yea i get your point and i agree...

    its the same logic as with postcards and emails. a photo on film is more personal than a digital photograph.

    Or like, a postcard from a friend from tibet is more personal and warm than an email from him.

    same thing with photos IMO

    For me the switch to digital was a matter of expense and convenience but I'm truly saddened that I don't have durable prints of my best photos anymore. I have a crate of photos that I took during my late teens and they are more valuable to me than almost anything.

    Quote from Holeman

    No, i do not thing a piece of cake is better than money for an entire cake, i think thats a good metaphor, but i dont agree. I simply do not think digital storage is even on par with film, and I dont dislike digital photography, but keeping a harddrive for a hundred years is not the same as keeping film negatives. There are film negatives like ook was saying that he gets to see from his grandparents, he can print those today. Digital is a brand new technology, do you really think harddrives or computers or anything that could possible store those digital pictures will be the same in a hundred years so that you can easily print those? Now there are ways to put digital pictures onto film, that I think is sweet. As for ruining film, ya its a tricky business, thats why I started a whole thread in with glee when I processed my own film for the first time, and DIDNT fuck up, i was proud of myself because 80% of everyone else doing it for the first time screwed their's up. But theres a reason you learn and master the techniques. So, film is tangible, you can hold it in your hand, you can put it in a box and ook can see it 2 generations later. 1's and 0's are not, im sure people will take AMAZING care of their harddrives...but one magnet later and its a paperweight.

    "I'm sure people will take AMAZING care of their negatives but if you take one match later and they're ashes."

    Sorry but I think your line of logic is not correct. Digital media will evolve and I will take my pictures with me and hand them down to my children just like my grandparents did. Except mine will be on a server with many reduntant backups instead of rotting in a carboard box and they will look just as good (or bad!) then as they do now.

    - ook

    I always like it when "purists" try to deride the fact that digital photos can be so easily manipulated to get different effects out of a shot. Go look at anything Ansel Adams did. He'd sit for hours in his dark room letting his prints expose to light as he held cardboad, cheesecloth, and other stuff in the way of the lamp in order to artifically lighten and darken areas. He was filtering photos long before Photoshop and Picasa.

    Plus, if you think Ansel Adams (or any of his generational bretheren) wouldn't have killed for a good Digital SLR that could take thousands of shots of storage on a microdrive that he could take out to the wilderness instead of bulky heavy equipment to get maybe 15 exposures, you're crazy.

    Point taken, but there I don't think there's a digital camera made that can rival the fidelity of large format

    And the tinkerer in me doesn't think anyone will be building his own dSLR anytime soon.

    Quote from ginsengavenger

    Point taken, but there I don't think there's a digital camera made that can rival the fidelity of large format

    Not yet anyways. Well, at least not one in a comparable price range.

    Quote from ginsengavenger

    Point taken, but there I don't think there's a digital camera made that can rival the fidelity of large format And the tinkerer in me doesn't think anyone will be building his own dSLR anytime soon.

    well actually post pros that have gone digital still use their good ol hasselblad. They just buy a super high megapixel back for it that is actually in some ways higher resolution than even the 5x4 negatives that guys like ansel adams use.

    Heck head on over to http://%7boption%7d and check out their new 39 megapixel monster. You know if these oldschool camera makers are going digital that it's the wave of the future.

    That said there will always be analog junkies. Hell in some ways I am too, I have stax of records and still preffer the sound of them for some live recordings. Of course I would never trade them in for my ipod either.

    - ook

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